Talk:Columbia

1893 Chicago's World Fair
Maybe you have noticed this date from the trailer? Well I found this article on Wikipedia. Maybe the city was constructed for Chicago's World Fair in 1983, which is also known as "World's Columbian Exposition" (which explains the name of the city). Pauolo 22:15, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * No it takes place in 1912 Michael Ryan  Talk  22:46, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you are refering to the little thing in the fish tank it said 1893. I went back and paused it to make sure.MarcoDelMarco 02:49, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry I made a mistake while writing a bit too fast.Yes you are right that is 1893, but that is still connected to Chicago's World Fair in 1893 (see the link on my firtst message). Pauolo 09:29, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link, It was really informative. Foreshadowing prehaps? I think so. MarcoDelMarco 13:56, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

the trailer
hey did anyone noticed in the trailer at 1:29 some guy??hmm he looks familiar could it be Andrew ryan or Sander cohen...??? Alexvsu3000 :D


 * I suppose anything's possible, except if Ryan/Cohen were around .. 60 at the time of Bioshock, they'd only be 12 years old in the setting.
 * Roygbiv666 Sig 001.png 12:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah, in an interview the dude who's making this said that Columbia is unrelated to Rapture so I don't think it's them. But I wouldn't be suprised if it was a character very much like them.MarcoDelMarco 13:57, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Project Icarus
I think it's been mentioned already, but isn't Project Icarus some sort of eugenics program to breed people with superpowers? Anybody in the U.S. with paranormal abilities got rounded up and isolated in that flying city so they'd get raised in an ultranationalist environment. Also, wouldn't that mean that Project Icarus was some sort of supersoldier program, since the government would've had an army of obedient men and women with special powers if it had been successful? --Willbachbakal 17:19, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's possible as Columbia turned out to be a "flying battleship", then again, it might have started as something more benign...too early to tell at this point as it's a while away before the game is made. It would explain why they wanted Elizabeth though... Vae Infectus 00:34, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Mission
I think we can all assume that there will be a mission or part in the game where building will be falling out of the sky. Then it will be your job to go towards the falling building to stop it. Mr White 02:03, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it possible that Rapture originated from all or a large chunk of Columbia falling into the ocean?38.99.141.34 20:57, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the last time, NO! May I suggest you to read Rapture's page and the Rapture Storyline's page? That will help you understand my answer.--Pauolo 21:31, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Actually it's very well possible of this, although people keep saying that the game is in a separate universe, it would make no sense as to call it bioshock, what would be the point. I have a feeling in the next Bioshock game,we will get an idea of the correlation between the games.~pat

New Images
aNybody have the source on the new pictures? I'm talking about the one of the old guy and Liz.Einsteinium99 06:14, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think I mentioned this before, but I found them in Bioshock Infinite's Facebook page. I also found a podcast from Irrational's site, but I'll wait until more info on the game is released to put it on here, since it's about the trailer, and it mentions nicknames for the "Big daddy" archetype that was in the trailer. They called him either "Handyman" or "Alpha", but those are just tossed out names because of his look and not official names.Evans0305 08:30, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Found the link to it. Charles is the "old guy," and call her Elizabeth. This page might also be interesting. ~ Ṃᶒɠą§ɔ î é ɳ č ę { tal k }  09:45, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

 * (The following speculation and similarities were removed as per the BioShock Wiki:Trivia Policy. They should only be re-added to the article if the developers confirm them as inspirations. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 08:32, September 4, 2010 (UTC))


 * The name Columbia may be referencing the 1893 "Anti-Pinkerton Act" (referencing the game's main character being a Pinkerton agent), which states: "an individual employed by the Pinkerton Detective Agency, or similar organization, may not be employed by the Government of the United States or the government of the District of Columbia."
 * The city of Columbia bears a resemblance to the fictional city of Laputa in Hayao Miyazaki's Castle in the Sky, itself based on the city of the same name in Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift. Both are cities of enormous power that have fallen into tyranny, and the clockwork cyborgs in BioShock Infinite share a few similarities with the androids in Laputa, most notably their hand design.

What Does Chaff Mean in the poster
Im just wonderingDeirdreKent101 20:07, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * It comes from an old biblical expression, "Separate the wheat from the chaff" or, if you're French, "Séparer le bon grain de l'ivraie". It means "Do not burden Columbia with your bad kind", a sort of xenophobic words. --Pauolo 20:31, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Basically, chaff is the useless husk left over from processing grain. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk }

Civil war effects
Since Columbia had a civil war, it would be rather interesting to hear of news papers reporting mysterious bodies of people found splattered on the ground.

Yeah, I hope they have something like somehting in the sea for Bioshock 2, that would be cool.


 * Too bad the site somethinginthesky.com is already requested ^^' --Pauolo 18:55, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

A city of old men one agent and a young women ????
not to sound lik a feminist but elizabeth seems to be the only female in the whole trailer so far the only emenys seem to be old men DeirdreKent101 02:09, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's a woman in front of Harper's Grocery sweeping by the flames. There will obviously be more women. And, even so, she was taken there to be held captive. You could say it's lots of men and she was taken there. ~ <span style="border-bottom:2px dotted green; border-left:4px double green; border-right:4px double green; border-top:2px dotted green"><font color="#008800">Ṃ<font color="#009900">ᶒ<font color="#00aa00">ɠ<font color="#00bb00">ą<font color="#00cc00">§<font color="#00dd00">ɔ î é ɳ č ę <font color="#ff0000">{ <font color="#ff4400">t<font color="#ff8800">al k }  03:02, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Still no women minus the new charcter and the ladyu infront of harpers grocery i mean it is a city afterall.DeirdreKent101 19:45, June 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Daisy Fitzroy ~ <span style="border-bottom:2px dotted green; border-left:4px double green; border-right:4px double green; border-top:2px dotted green"><font color="#008800">Ṃ<font color="#009900">ᶒ<font color="#00aa00">ɠ<font color="#00bb00">ą<font color="#00cc00">§<font color="#00dd00">ɔ î é ɳ č ę <font color="#ff0000">{ <font color="#ff4400">t<font color="#ff8800">al k }  20:27, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finaly some females in the game in the tears trailerDeirdreKent101 14:40, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ending Factors
There are likely to be factors regarding the ending of the game, based on the actions of Booker DeWitt, here are some that could be considered as such:


 * Booker's treatment of "him" - Elizabeth appears to have developed Stockholm Syndrome and doesn't take kindly to "him being attacked, this will definately be a factor that the ending will be based on as Elizabeth is the primary objective.
 * The Vox Populi - Will Booker choose to help them or will he use them for his own ends making them think he'll help them or will he just let them and the faction in charge kill each other while he (and possibly Elizabeth) escape.

If there are other factors, they are unknown. Vae Infectus 00:30, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Or we can side with the founders lolDeirdreKent101 19:45, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

|Alis volat propriis
The Latin sentence above appears in the 15-minute-long E3 trailer, at the entrance of the little park where Elizabeth found the dying horse. The sentence means "She Flies With Her Own Wings," which applys very well on Columbia, and express her separation from Uncle Sam. However, this is the motto of Oregon (the USA state) too. This is not seems to be a coincidence.

What do you thnk, this stuff worths a point in the Trivia?


 * The translation would have its place in the trivia section and maybe its meaning, but for the relation to Oregon, I'm not sure. There is also the name Emporia which could be a reference to something, but it is too early to tell as it has many meanings.
 * Pauolo 20:21, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Columbia Technology
I belive it should be mentioned that Columbia possesses highly advanced technology, such as the mechanical horses, vigors, nonstrums, reactors capable of sustaining the city and so on.

I would add it myself, but I don't quite trust my english skills ;)

Art Dent 13:20, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Suicidal kids???
I was reading a hands-on preview for Bioshock Infinite and they said when Booker was on board Comstock's zeppelin

trying to destroy it, a child sacrificed himselfed to kill booker. Could this be Columbia's version of suicide bombers, but using kids????????AirPatriot1912 (talk) 15:11, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would like to read that preview. If it's possible, please leave a link in a reply. This seems very....extraordinary, that's why I want to check it. Thanks. Ison (talk) 15:27, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I found the preview on google and i saw this link called Complex's Step-By-Step Guide To Bioshock Infinite's First 10 ActsAirPatriot1912 (talk) 15:44, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, so I've read it and from what I understood, that child decided that he will sacrifice himself just to rescue Booker and let him escape. He didn't want to kill him. Ison (talk) 18:52, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I just read that, which I must say that there are some spoilers about the walkthrough to expect. Still, its kinda something unexpected for that to happen in the game, but I hope by the time the game comes out, I'll forget that I read it, just to be surprised when it does happen.Evans0305 (talk) 19:07, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Columbia vs United States Army???
Now this might make since, since with all the buildings, zeppelins and handymen falling down from the city the goverment could go looking for Columbia and attempt to bring it down.AirPatriot1912 (talk) 19:59, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Columbia has a regular route of flight and it would be pretty easy to find it, as there's even a time table telling where and when it will be flying by, but here show up the problem...It's Columbia. City with technology that USA couldn't probably even imagine. To get to the city, Booker had to know the code, get into a hidded rocket and be launched into the skies.. Zeppelins you say? Yeah, USA could use zeppelins to get there, but as we know (if the concept didn't change) that city is a huge armed "battleship". And even if it's not, someone could just send Songbird or other things to bring them down (still leaving path of destruction on the land). But now imagine that a nice building, suddenly falls down and hits the ground...what would it leave? Tons of debris and maybe a crater...noone could identify things that would be left from it. That's what I think, so you can disagree.
 * Ison (talk) 20:31, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Im just saying with all that stuff falling from the city, the goverment could A. attempt to bring Columbia back down to earth or B. Just destroy it and keep it a secret from the rest of the world. If i was them i would  destroy it because of all the destruction on the floating metropolis and to many people are aboard the city and if they died all that stuff will be on my hands and their are children on the city...come on now...THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!
 * AirPatriot1912 (talk) 17:50, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * How could they keep it secret if it was a huge and pompous event showing whole world how incredible America is? And as I said before, Columbia has much more advanced technology, which just excludes the possibility of being destroyed by some people on the ground. Whole city was gone for a very long time and literally noone knows where it is now (only some people know that - for example Booker). In my previous answer, I said what I think about debris from the city and things that fall down from it.
 * Ison (talk) 14:06, January 1, 2013 (UTC)



Modern day tactics in a open world enviorment
I think we will start to see almost every modern day tactics in columbia such as flanking, taking cover, throwing dynamites (which might play a role as grenades), if their might be any throwing explosives. I think we should since that columbia is such a open world, their should be a lot of destruction, explosives and gunfire in the city.AirPatriot1912 (talk) 14:56, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is not a question, so you think like that...Um, well. We will have to use different moves, because for example Motorized Patriots may have lots of power, but they turn really slowly what lets player to run behind him and shoot his back. If we talk about grenades, then it was in both Bioshock games, so it's nothing new. Although there can be an interestion side of fighting, as from what I know, it will be possible to temporarily team up with one of the fighting sides. AI's will show much more of "team thinking" so it maybe be an interesting experience if they would for example communicate and shout to each other that you are here or there, doing this or that. Ison (talk) 15:31, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I meant hand held grenades and i just watched the Beast Of America trailer and i did see Booker running with the vox populi two times in the trailer. I also saw Booker wearing a devil ring when elizabeth threw him a shotgun, so yeah there could be a choice where you could form an alliance with any of the faction.AirPatriot1912 (talk) 01:05, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Other crazy hidden things in Columbia?
I am so excited for BioShock Infinite, but im just curious what other crazy things are hidden in columbia.AmberWing65 (talk) 21:54, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, me too?Einsteinium99 (talk) 05:01, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

The Cult of Columbia
I am aware there is a cult featuring the Founders in the city of Columbia, but do any of you know anything about it? From the pictures, the Founders appear to worship the Founding Fathers such as Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson to a religious degree. Are they the gods of this cult?Consus, the Erudite God (talk) 20:27, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I would'nt be suprised if they were, but if you remember the founding fathers did belive in religion and God.AmberWing65 (talk) 22:14, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

They seem more like they worship Columbia, Patriotizm, and the Founding Fathers in the way they worship conventional Christianity. Still, there isn't a lot to confirme what it is, so we'll have to wait until the game's release to find out. Evans0305 (talk) 23:08, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Are you thinking of the Fraternal Order of the Raven? That seems to be the religious element of the Founders (or, at least, a religion limited only to those who are already sworn and dedicated members of their party.) They worship John Wilkes Booth because he killed Abraham Lincoln, whom they (and Comstock) view as the Antichrist for abolishing slavery and "ruining" the Southern states. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 15:19, February 6, 2013 (UTC). Please remember to sign your posts with ~.

I don't think that's the cult Consus meant when he asked about Columbia's Patriotic Religion. The Order is more like Columbia's KKK (which they even have their own hoods), rather than the same as people worshiping those God-like President statues and flags seen when entering Columbia. --Evans0305 (talk) 23:35, February 6, 2013

Indeed. I meant the people in white robes worshipping shrines dedicated to the Founding Fathers. Those people seem to look upon them as saints like what Evans0305  said in a similar manner one would worship conventional Christianity.Consus, the Erudite God (talk) 05:03, February 7, 2013 (UTC)(UTC)

Have they forgot?
It seems like Irrational has gotten more into the Religous ideals and forgot about the Patriotism ideals, I can see that that their is still some patriotism left in it like motorized washington, but is their any other patriot references left?AmberWing65 (talk) 22:12, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

They didn't forget it; they more likely revised it to emphasize what they were implying on, hence last year's delay of them "going dark". Patriotizm is still there, only its of the Founder's kind of Patriotizm; did you see the statues of Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin as Gods, or the flags everywhere, or Dimwit & Duke propaganda, or the Hall of Heroes museum where its about Comstock retelling US history from his perspective? The only explanation I see why revising the factions is because the feedback about them seemed like they were representing Conservatives vs Liberals, which they mention that they're nothing like that, and more like two extremists with their own views of Patriotizm and Freedom. Plus, looking at the mural with Wahington on there, it seems like they had Religion as well as Patriotizm in mind from the start. Evans0305 (talk) 23:02, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

WW1 & Historical References.
I see that there is a lot of ww1 & historical references in columbia:

The soldiers in Columbia have outfits just like the american ww1 soldiers

A Volley Gun is available via Tear

Our Founding Fathers are worshiped like Gods

Booker was featured in The Battle Of Wounded Knee and possibly The Boxer Rebellion.AmberWing65 (talk) 03:18, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Altitude
There are some serious problems with the altitude in this game, assuming anyone could survive it. Check my edit at the bottom of the page, feel free to share your opinions here.

Why is Columbia so hard to find?
The thing is, during Booker's merry adventure through the city, wouldn't there be constant evidence of what's happening in the city? From the constant gunfire and explosions to eventually corpses, rubble, whole buildings, and wrecked airships and hovercraft raining from the sky, it wouldn't be so hard for the US Government to track down the city.

And two... In one of the trailers, it mentions a Columbian building was found in the Alps in 1983. So, in another universe, is Columbia still floating up there. Geez, I wonder what it would look like by then? Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!"> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 00:09, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well we never see the ground in Columbia's universe. For all we know, everything you said is going on, but we have no idea. And what good would the Government tracking Columbia do? It's not like the city is hidden, and it's not like the Air Force really exists anyways to do anything about it.

Also, yes. Columbia IS still floating in 1983. You haven't beat the game yet, have you?Einsteinium99 (talk) 00:58, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Overhaul Events of Bioshock Infinite section
I want to get people's opinions on this before I charge in at full speed.

Currently, the Events of Bioshock Infinite section isn't really about Columbia, it's a summary of the game. We have a page about the story of Bioshock Infinite already, so I suggest this section be overhauled entirely to detail the changes the city undergoes during the events of Columbia. I want input before I go ahead, though, so I'd like to know what people think of that.

Molotov.cockroach (talk) 02:35, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

How is it a battleship?
I'm curious as to how the city could become a battleship. I mean there's no way they could fit guns on it and even then how would they work and such? If there weren't any guns and it was just their soldiers being deployed then it's. a troop transport not a battleship. Any ideas? --96.32.26.34 04:45, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean they can't fit guns on it? Take cannons, mount them to the underside of buildings, and shoot down. But you're partially right. The city itself doesn't have that many weapons, but it has the Songbird and the entire Columbian Fleet. Wait, have you even played the game?Einsteinium99 (talk) 05:51, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well I've seen walkthroughs does that count? Also what's the Columbian fleet? --96.32.26.34 16:05, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

No, walkthroughs do not count. And the Columbian Fleet is all the battleships such as the Hand of the Prophet. Remember the scene where Columbia attacked New York?Einsteinium99 (talk) 18:35, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

You mean the Zeppelins? Unless there is a picture of them then well I'm lost since I don't plan on buying the game just to find something. Thanks for the help. --96.32.26.34 04:30, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I looked up the hand of the prophet and it's just a giant zeppelin. Great back the but how could they not have discovered jets, Surface to Air Missiles, etc by 1983? It's stupid to think they'd make a dent to the U.S by that time unless they made major upgrades to their armed forces. --96.32.26.34 04:36, July 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * When something flies down out the sky and starts bombing a major city, that city is going to be taken by surprise. That and over the course of 70 years, I imagine Columbia has upgraded its artillery, likely far beyond that of the US if history holds true (an RPG in 1912?).


 * Molotov.cockroach (talk) 02:45, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Slaves and Indentured Servants
"brought in to serve as slaves or indentured servants"

was this actually stated anywhere in the game ??

"I told you, Comstock-- you sell 'em paradise, and the customers expect cherubs for every chore! No menials in God's kingdom! Well, I've a man in Georgia who'll lease us as many Negro convicts as you can board!"


 * - Solution to Your Problems


 * Molotov.cockroach (talk) 02:36, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

"Almost every advancement in Columbia was the direct product of the mind of Rosalind Lutece,"
isnt this contradicted by

"individuals such as Jeremiah and Albert Fink exploited the insight they offered into parallel technologies. Whereas Albert simply used Tears as a means of trans-dimensional artistic theft, Jeremiah copied the designs of other researchers in order to create radically new technologies, such a"

every advancement would be the result of the interdmensional technology....

75.36.141.164 12:04, August 17, 2013 (UTC)