Talk:Jack

n I was under the impression that "Jack" was the Illegitimate son of Ryan then used by Fontaine and trained as an assassin.

At least thats what the Official Wikipedia Article says >_>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioshock —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 07:59, 2007 August 28. Please sign your posts with ~ !

Age

 * DO NOT QUOTE THIS INFO YET. It is by no means complete.
 * Response: Both answers are correct, I'm still trying to piece the puzzle together for myself. I know from the diaries that Andrew Ryan impregnated an 'entertainment' girl (you read her diary in Fort Frolic). Jack's mother then sold Jack, as an embryo, to Frank Fontaine. Jack was heavily modified genetically by both Dr. Suchong and Tenenbaum. Dr. Suchong was responsible for Jack's rapid development (also note in the good ending about 15-25 years have passed, Jack is an old man). Dr. Suchong was also responsible for Jack's mind control programming. I am still not fully aware of Tenenbaum's role in Jack's development, I assume that she was the one who gave Jack his memories, but I cannot verify this yet. I can verify that Jack's mother met Tenenbaum because she is mentioned in the diary.


 * Jack's actual age:
 * Although Jack's age is undetermined there is a diary by Dr. Suchong in Andrew Ryan's office that suggests he was able to grow a child that aged about 1 year every month (I need to take some notes from the game so DON'T quote this info yet). Jack has to be at least three years old, because Frank Fontaine disappeared and became Atlas in 1957. The oldest he can be is 12 years old because that is how long Frank Fontaine has been in Rapture. I highly doubt that Jack is 12 years old, my assumption is that he is closer to the age of 4. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 20:04, 2007 August 28. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * Should Jack be around 3, 4 years old, then his rapid aging must slow as he gets older, or else he would die like 3 years after the events of the game. And in the good ending, the little sisters are old enough to be married, so he must have lived longer than that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:01, 2008 September 25. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * it said in the game he leaft the city at 2 so wouldent it be wrong to say he was born in 1958 if he was then what he just took a flight 1 day later to rapture —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 20:51, 2009 November 16. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * If you look at the SITS timeline it might clear this up for you.


 * Jack was created by Suchong sometime before September 1958 (before Fontaine was "killed" by Ryan's men.) Suchong was still nurturing Jack and recorded the audio diary Baby Status when Jack was one year old, before Fontaine "died." Therefore, I think Jack was probably born in 1957, or 1956.
 * A radio message from Fontaine in the Proving Grounds says "I remember when me and the Kraut put you in that sub. You were no more than two." My guess is that he was smuggled out of Rapture before Fontaine went undercover, so he probably left in 1958... so that would mean he was born in 1956.
 * The events of BioShock happen some time in 1960.
 * From 1956-1960 is 4 years. So that's how you can tell Jack's age during BioShock. ~ Gardimuer { ʈalk } 23:20, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Pipe
The pipe mentioned in this article is not in fact the only pipe. I have found another in Fontaine Fisheries.-Sheedy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 20:54, 2007 September 10. Please sign your posts with ~ !

Theory
Even though Tenenbaum's precise reasons of modifying Ryan's illegitimate son are quite cryptic, there are several points which can be hypothesized. Firstly, either Tenenbaum or Fontaine knew of Ryan's affair with Jasmine Jolie, and according to her audio diary, there was some delay in extracting her fertalized egg with Ryan's genetics, causing Ryan to find out and murder her. It could be speculated that the both of them (which were working together at the time, along with Suchong) were going to use Jack for a greater cause (either in science, development of ADAM, or perhaps to save Rapture somehow) as they all knew both hypnotic phrases given to Jack. Jack was indeed used by Fontaine to kill Ryan, and then later used by Tenenbaum to freely kill Fontaine (so his initial function was carried out). It's hard to figure out whether the trigger phrase makes Jack stronger or not. I find that this event, along with the metaphors given for the Little Sisters (read diary "Why Only Girls?" to get what I mean) were not fully developed plot-wise. - NocTurn 04:58, 2007 October 7

Voice
When Jack gets his voice scrambled at the end of the game, does it ever get changed back to normal? Because it would be really weird to go back to the surface/hold the world ransom with your voice sounding like a whale. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:01, 2008 September 25. Please sign your posts with ~ !

There's no evidence to support that his voice was changed back. Fontaine says that the voice surgery is irreversable, but there's a good chance that he's lying or just unaware of any corrective surgery. I doubt there was ever a need to reverse any of the Big Daddy augmentations in the past. RaptureWhaleFan 21:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think it is reversable, Fontaine just said it's not just to scare Jack and I'm pretty sure that Tenenbaum won't allow her powerful new friend to sound like a constipated whale the reast of his life. 69.117.71.119 23:50, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

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Various surgery repairs were possible using ADAM, and we only got a subset of all the ones that existed (like which ones did Steinman use in his work?)     If you can grow a flamethrower arm you could rebuilt a vloice box (might not sound exactly the same). Tenenbaum could have applied something like that to regenerate the needed tissue (and other things) before de-tonicing/deplasmidizing (or whatever else she did to get Jack closer back to normalcy and to avoid all the genetic turbulance which twisted Splicers who did a fraction of the Splicing Jack had done)

Testxyz 07:45, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

name
when did we find out jacks name —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:59, 2009 January 25. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * I'm guessing it was at the beginning of the game, with the note on the present. OneMind 20:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah the note revealed in Ryan's office says "Dear Jack not open till *Rapture's coodirnates*" --Drsalvador 17:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

How do you know his name is Jack? i never heard it in game or anywhere except the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 08:43, 2010 April 18. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * On the present in the airplane scene. The card on the box says "To: Jack". Plus, I believe the developpers refer to him as Jack. Ant423 13:58, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * In the first cutscene where he is on a plane holding the gift his fake parents gave him, a card on it says to Jack, so, there you have it. --Gearslover01 19:48, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Aperances
I would like to mention that I have added to this article concerning what I believe may be another photo of Jack found in central control on the wall that has the blood writing "would you kindly". Does anyone else agree with me? Also it should be noted that Jack can be seen entirly at one point in the Bioshock trailer just befor the camera zooms up into first person. I have one more question, is Jack's name ever mentioned in any piont other than on the note with the gift and in his Flash back? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 08:21, 2009 April 28. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * bioshock trailer is not jack because he doesn't have the chain tattoos. The producers call him Jack. Other than the note, I can't seem to recall his name mentioned by anyone in the game. Atlas perhaps? nah 81.69.3.248 13:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That is jack that you see in the good ending.Plus HE raised the Little Sisters on the surface --Ryan Pierce 18:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Bioshock54

Ryan
Andrew Ryan initially suspects that Jack is a CIA spook, then comes to the conclusion that he is not based on his behavior.

How come Andrew Ryan did not notice Jack's entrance to Rapture was with a bathysphere, while of course Atlas does. If he did notice, he could easily would have known Jack is his own blood, therefore playing a game with Jack (and Atlas). Also because of the vita chambers 81.69.3.248 13:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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Also wouldnt have been logical to not leave a bathysphere at the surface (lighthouse) where it might be a bit of a clue of Raptures existance?? (Ryan is supposed to be paranoid, right?- well isnt this evidence he wasnt quite as paranoid as they tried to lay it on??)

It that bathysphere  was sent there for his arrival (in case it wasnt normally left there) then that should have told Ryan his system wasnt as locked down and someone (Atlas?) was upto something      (I actually think the whole suicide thing by Ryan should have really been a setup against Fontaine/Atlas, where Ryan has figured it out and turned the tables (faked HIS own death)  -- its certainly would have been a more Epic Twist).

Perhaps for Bioshock 3 it will turn out that way.......

Testxyz 07:53, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Height
How damn short is Jack?! his head only comes to halfway up a health station & I measured him as 4 & a half tiles tall in one one of the bathrooms, the tiles being about a foot, so is Jack 4'6''? Pararaptor 06:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)''


 * I'd just like to point out to you, that the Unreal Engine shows the camera at gun hight, as do some other games running on other engines. I noticed this too when playing the slot machines. Jack is probably a good 6 feet tall, it's just we experiance it at stomach level. Anonymous --98.108.152.32 09:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Jack is coolio --Ryan Pierce 14:22, September 16, 2009 (UTC)bioshock54
 * The camera is at Chest height, not stomach height wut. 69.254.53.223 16:05, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Guys, think about this for a moment. How could you "aim down the sight" of a gun from chest height? Also, when Jack puts on the Big Daddy suit, we're able to see through it as if it was through his eyes. Same can be said about Subject Delta and Subject Sigma. RaptureWhaleFan 20:34, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an Engine thing, not a plot-related thing. - Drsalvador 02:38, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an Engine thing, not a plot-related thing. - Drsalvador 02:38, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an Engine thing, not a plot-related thing. - Drsalvador 02:38, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Aging speculation removal
Given the overwhelming evidence that Jack ages normally after the events of Bioshock 1, I'm requesting that the aging theories and speculation section be removed. Brainwasher5 21:48, February 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You'd be surprised at how many people are still convinced that Jack only lives 4 years after his Rapture experience (At least outside this wiki). I have to agree with the evidence on this page though. Ant423 01:40, March 18, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Canon ending?
Given the events of Bioshock 2, is it right to conclude that the "good" ending to Bioshock is the canonical one? If the other ending(s) were true, wouldn't Jack be the leader of Rapture during the events of Bioshock 2? It's possible that his reign could be short-lived and that he ends up dead or "dethroned" before Delta's revival, but no one seems to make any mention of him ever being in charge. The splicers do revere him, but this could partially be due to Sofia Lamb's admiration of his story, and because of his defeat of Ryan. I'd say, given that no record of Jack being the head of Rapture exists anywhere in Bioshock 2, that the ending with Jack saving the Little Sisters and giving them the chance to live normal lives is the true ending. I'm sure that 2K wants to leave this open ended so that either ending can work in the storyline, but there's not much to support the "bad" endings of the first game in the sequel. --RaptureWhaleFan 01:45, February 16, 2010


 * I'd agree that the good ending seems to the canon one - it made more sense at the time, and it certainly fits better with the sequel, especially as I think in the Atlantic Express depot, you can overhear several splicers talking about Jack heading topside after saving a bunch of Little Sisters. That said, we do know from SITS that a nuclear submarine did visit the plane crash site sometime after the first game, as depicted in the bad ending, so presumably that particular element can be considered canon too.--BADavid 15:41, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

That trivia, I just undid, made no sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 15:10, 2010 February 20. Please sign your posts with ~ !

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Bad ending ?? Easy enough that Jack simply dies of something (Childhood disease maybe??) before he was able to do much  to the Surface or Rapture. BTW, no SLBM submarine (Boomer) would EVER be sent to investigate a plane crash like that  (Cold war still on, surface ships are for that, etc... )  So sorry, no nukes for Evil Jack.

Testxyz 07:58, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Passport
Hey all, guess what I found?



I figured I would put this here for people to evaluate before adding it to the article. This image was found in the 0-Lighthouse.bsm file. If you don't believe me, have a look for yourself! EDlTʘR  •taIk• 00:08, March 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wynand??? Wow. Hey! Jack is actually 23 years old (appearance-wise that is). I think most of us guessed Jack was around that age. I'm not surprised he's from Kansas since he apparently grew up on a farm. Good job finding that image Ant423 01:38, March 18, 2010 (UTC)Ant423


 * before we go and change every part on his page where it says his last name is Ryan we should consider that his last name on the passport is probably his name from the fake life that was programed into his mind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 01:41, 2010 March 18. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * Obviously it's a fake name, but technically, Jack doesn't have a last name. Wynand is clearly the official name that appears on Jack's documents. Andrew Ryan is Jack's father, but he is illegitimate, so the question is not "What is Jack's last name?" but rather, "Which last name is the more official one?" Also, which last name does Jack take when returns to the surface? Ant423 01:59, March 18, 2010 (UTC)Ant423


 * I would say Ryan is his name at the bottom of the ocean but not on the surface. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:06, 18 March 2010 . Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * According to Jordan Thomas in this post on the 2K Forums Jack was never really meant to have an "official" name:


 * If we do consider this image canon, then it means that all of the information in it was fabricated by Fontaine: a fake name, a fake address, even fake previous passport stamps to make it look like the passport had been in use since 1940 something (since Jack couldn't possibly have used it until 1958.) The only information in this passport that isn't a lie by Fontaine is the physical description of Jack. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 10:17, March 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * What in the world would make you think 'Wynand' for a last name? It'd have made more sense if Fontaine had used an anagram or something...Jerseygirl860 01:17, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some people think it is another Ayn Rand reference: a major character in Rand's novel "The Fountainhead" has the last name "Wynand" ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 00:56, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahh... that makes sense. Thanks!Jerseygirl860 01:07, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I might be an anonymous user (So discredit this if you wish), but considering Jack was an illigitimate child, wouldn't that make his actual last name Jolene after his mother? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 14:20, 2010 September 8 (UTC). Please remember to sign your posts with ~.


 * Well, Ryan and Jolene weren't married, so I guess it would be "Jack Ryan" after his father. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 19:38, 2011 March 6 (UTC). Please remember to sign your posts with ~.

Removed trivia

 * (Moved the following speculation to the talk page as per the BioShock Wiki:Trivia Policy. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 17:48, June 14, 2010 (UTC))


 * Taking his biological father into account names the character Jack Ryan, a character created by Tom Clancy with whom he shares several thematic aspects: both have an "everyman" quality about them, that of a tough but relatively normal person thrown into circumstances for which they are psychologically unprepared. Andrew Ryan initially suspects that Jack is a CIA spook, then comes to the conclusion that he is not based on his behavior. In contrast, Clancy's Jack Ryan actually is a CIA employee whose mission requires him to impersonate a naval officer. Both are forced to engage in gun-play underwater to survive.


 * (Moved more trivia speculation to the talk page. These two notes make sense, considering that the developers did take other inspirations from Rand's works, but this is still speculation until confirmed by the developers. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 23:13, June 20, 2012 (UTC))


 * At the beginning of the game, Jack experiences a plane crash which leads him to find Rapture. This is similar to a scene in Atlas Shrugged, when the main character Dagny crashes her plane into a mountainside and wakes up near Galt's Gulch. Both crash their planes and both come to a hidden utopia (a former one, in the case of Rapture) with an emphasis on free economics.
 * On Jack's wrists are tattoos of chain links. This could be a reference to him being part of Andrew Ryan's "Great Chain" and/or that it is symbolism of Jack's enslavement. The tattoos could also be explained as a reference to Dagny Taggart's chain link bracelet in Ayn Rand's novel, Atlas Shrugged. Dagny Taggart trades her diamond-studded bracelet for Lillian Rearden's "Rearden Metal" bracelet, hinting at Dagny's love for Lillian's husband Henry. (Note: the chain links on the right wrist are visible during the cut-scene where the first Plasmid is acquired, when the player injects an EVE Hypo, when the player is wielding the Wrench, while reloading the Machine Gun, near the end of reloading the Pistol and in the good ending).

Jack's (possible) wife
Look, I'm new to this, so I'm sorry if it looks all messed up.

Have you ever wondred who Jack's wife is? I think I may know. Wait for it- Tenenbaum. That's right, you read that correctly. Why do I think this? Well lets start with the basics. If you have eyes, you know that Tenenbaum is quite good looking, at least in her radio picture. I usually go by what most characters look like in radio pictures, since nearly every one in Rapture looks alike (thanks for that, devs >.<). Either way, you all know that you could win over Tenenbaum by saving Little Sisters as opposed to harvesting them. So if you kepp saving them, you gain more respect and possibly affection from her. And Jack also falls in love with her along the way. So by the time Jack goes to confront Fontaine, the two of them would be deeply in love. More support for my theory come from the final line in the "Good" ending: "And in the end, what was your reward? You never said, but I think I know. A family." What I think Tenenabum means by that is they were together for a while and Jack never did mention what his reward was for saving the Little Sisters.

So after Fontaine is dead, there is enough time between Jack choosing to adopt the five Little Sisters and him going topside in a bathysphere for him and Tenenbaum to kiss, embrace, etc. They go back to the surface togther and get married soon after. Besides, Jack can't raise the five little girls all by himself. There is NO WAY he can do that. Sure, he can defeat hundreds of splicers and kill the most powerful man in Rapture singlehandly, but he needs some help in rasing the girls. Who better to do this than the "Mother" of all of them? — Mr Bio Shock 01:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Tenenbaum also worked with Charles Milton Porter. Really, I don't see any sure reason why he would take a wife, let alone Tenenbaum with her own objectives. ~ <span style="border-bottom:2px dotted green; border-left:4px double green; border-right:4px double green; border-top:2px dotted green"><font color="#008800">Ṃ<font color="#009900">ᶒ<font color="#00aa00">ɠ<font color="#00bb00">ą<font color="#00cc00">§<font color="#00dd00">ɔ î é ɳ č ę <font color="#ff0000">{ <font color="#ff4400">t<font color="#ff8800">al k }  21:03, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Considering what Tenenbaum said, the only thing that seems certain is that she stayed to help Jack for a while, or for whatever reason she had. The rest is probably just Fanfic. But it's a nice image all the same, just not possible. Dark Swarmlord 13:55, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I never said they really got married, I just noticed these details and it is just a theroy. It would be quite nice if it was true, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr Bio Shock 01:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Aw hell no! Jack is mine! just kidding. So anyway, I always thought what tenenbaum meant by family is just the children. I think 5 little girls is as much as any nuclear family. Second she worked with lots of guys, like Yi Suchong and Milton and Fontaine. Sometimes there is someting implied about them having some "relations" between Fontaine and Tenenbaum. (paparazzi's audio diary) But, shes probably pretty profesional. Third of all think about it. Tenenbaum and Suchong were supposed to take care of Jack. I am talking surrogate parents. Like Tenenbaum is Jack's mother figure. If what your saying is canon, it would be disgusting. Sorry to burst your bubble.PiccoloGirl 01:35, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean for it be "canon" (besides, canon is confusing, I made it as simple as possible). The two of them fall in love during Jack's little adventure, and get marrried after they leave Rapture. Hey, a little time in Rapture can bring people together.
 * True, true. your story is kinda heartwarming. make a fan fic why don't you? I have my own fan fic.PiccoloGirl 01:35, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought people considered this Fanfic to begin with. BTW what sort of Fanfic did you make? Mr Bio Shock 01:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC) 20:01, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * also tenenbaum is in bioshock 2 so i disagree i believe she would stay down in rapture looking after the rest of the little sisters jack saved
 * @ who ever posted above-
 * You obviously can't read. Tenenbaum left for the surface after the events of BioShock and returned in BioShock 2 to rescue the new generation of Little Sister. She says so in the audio diary Return, found in the Adonis Luxury Resort. <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!">http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 21:14, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!">http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * @ who ever posted above-
 * You obviously can't read. Tenenbaum left for the surface after the events of BioShock and returned in BioShock 2 to rescue the new generation of Little Sister. She says so in the audio diary Return, found in the Adonis Luxury Resort. <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!">http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 21:14, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!">http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!">http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!">http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Red Hypo
Someone help me on this, I don't know: The first Hypo Jack injects hinmself with is red. Would this mean that plasmids can come in jars and hypos?Blahmarrow 17:56, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Its just the method of how people can extract Plasmids and Tonics. Unlike Vigors, people don't drink those jars. Instead, they use syringes to extract any Plasmids and Tonics from the jars. This can be seen around the beginning of BioShock 2, where Delta uses the syringe to first extract the Electrobolt Plasmid from the top of the jar, and then injects it into himself.Evans0305 19:50, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks.Blahmarrow 14:49, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

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New and improved Plasmids/Tonics came in orally applied form (and less popular suppository form maybe...)

Many people dont like needles (especially ones size of knitting needles) and more wouldnt want to do  do theinjections themselves).   Maybe addicted Splicers dont care, but these were meant to be consumer items for less enthusiastic users (Ryan/Sinclair would capitalize on that to push their versions if Fontaine didnt)

Testxyz 08:04, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

jack's life in bioshock 2
i wanted to know more about jack in bioshock 2 there is a possibility that jactk is delta in bioshock 2 and that shows why he still in rapture???? no? well i am new to the game so i don't know a lot ;_; 184.184.171.76 00:13, July 31, 2013 (UTC)mark abrahams


 * You should read the articles about Jack and Delta, I think they are pretty much complete. Concerning the fate of Jack in BioShock 2, the game leaves it open whether the good end of BioShock happened or the bad one. You can hear splicers talking about it in the Atlantic Express level, but neither of them agree on each other.
 * Pauolo (talk) 09:49, July 31, 2013 (UTC)




 * Heh it would be Sofia that Eleanor might have been reconstituted from 10 year-old rotted corpse tissue instead of Johnny Topside (or whoever).   Jack would have fried Sofia on the spot if she tried to pull her little escapade on him.   (Actually thats a pretty good 'alternate universe' plot with sufficient Twisty-ness). 75.36.138.148 08:16, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

"Caucasian male who, prior to his unwilling arrival"
Probably should remove 'unwilling'  as it true in one sense but false in another.

Testxyz 07:33, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

== Jack's age ==

I do not have much to say but Jack

Could be in the 20's Because you see him in old years "Showing" his hands LOOKING hes old NO!

I saw comments posting "2k does not want to give out his AGE!!!!!" something like that i believe is true but

He was born 1956 IN RAPTURE

But i believe when he was in rapture as we were playing in rapture i believe he was around 14-16

when he escaped rapture and living on his life he was maybe 20-22 years old?

Could 2k make another Bioshock in rapture with you playing as Jack and entering the Life of a Daddy?

Well we arleady know what it feels like anyways but what about having choices to play as a Bouncer,Rosie,Lancer,Rumbler or himself?

"For story and gameplay reasons, despite Jack being able to use an abundance of Plasmids, EVE, and Gene Tonics, he'll never become a Splicer or form an addiction for ADAM."
First how could you tell you dont see him to see if there are any changes (his hands being the part you usually see and then they are warped by the plasmids he is using).

Crazy part of being a Splicer? He walks around slaughtering people wholesale, sounds alot like typical Splicer behavior to me.

He isnt really there for very long so the genetic damage might not be resulting yet (repeated ADAM use is mentioned, else most people would never have used it if the tumors and such manifested themsleves that quickly). Somewhere it says that you start to mutate when you dont keep taking ADAM (more like your original genetics try to assert themselves conflicting with the partial RNA in the remaining ADAM)

Later plasmids/tonics may have been improved by Ryans research - its not like Ryan would want MORE crazy deformed people in Rapture when his intentions were rebuilding his city.

Testxyz (talk) 09:05, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Canon Ending?
Since the end of Burial at Sea concurs the good ending of BioShock (Jack is to save the little sisters including Sally, bring them to the surface, and adopt them) - should we make the articles concerning the ending (BioShock, Jack, Tenenbaum, etc.) canon to the good ending? --Gearslover01 (talk) 21:57, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sadly Sally's just one Little Sister. We have no indications to her fate in later games (They were produced before BaS after all). Because of that, we can't say for certain if Jack saved her or not, ergo we still have no idea what the canon ending is. ADDED: Plus Sally could have been one of the sisters he harvested Geekius Maximus (talk) 22:09, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Killed by Splicers, drowned in a building failure, dissected by Suchong, Big-Sisterized and killed by Delta, wandered off to some remote site and become Princess Pony (an equivalent of Master-Blaster with her Big Daddy), escaped to the surface was picked up bay some boat and wound up in Area 51.... : any number of fates could have happened.
 * Killed by Splicers, drowned in a building failure, dissected by Suchong, Big-Sisterized and killed by Delta, wandered off to some remote site and become Princess Pony (an equivalent of Master-Blaster with her Big Daddy), escaped to the surface was picked up bay some boat and wound up in Area 51.... : any number of fates could have happened.

But Elizabeth saw Jack rescue Sally (cured her and brought her to the surface) - that's canon - that she saw that at least in this universe (which is the same in Bio1) that Sally would be saved by Jack. --Gearslover01 (talk) 00:54, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Where's the source Geekius Maximus (talk) 00:59, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

The source? It's the ending of Burial at Sea. Ken Levine confirmed on his twitter that the Rapture we are in at Burial at Sea is the exact, prime Rapture Jack is in during BioShock 1. Everything that happened in Burial at Sea is the result of what the player goes through in Bio1. --Gearslover01 (talk) 01:08, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

What exactly is 'canon' when there are infinite universes with every possible possibility existing ?? We dont even know what happened to Jack beyond that limited scene in the 'Evil Ending' (did he die within a few days of a childhood disease or marines on the sub machine gunned him and all the splicers, or they simply left and he went back to Rapture -- SLBM Missile subs dont investigate plane crashes in most logical universes - so no nukes for Jack anyway). As mentioned  an awful lot of LS 'bit the dust' one way or another so we really cant say what would have happened to her.

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We don't know what exactly 'Prime Rapture' mean. Prime Rapture could be Bioshock 1 Rapture we played before. Also, it could be Rapture which has same flow of history of Bioshock 1.

Pawn of Atlas (talk) 03:32, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Both. Ken Levine said that the Rapture in BioShock 1 is the same in every way of Burial at Sea. What occurs in Burial at Sea and what occurs in BioShock is within the same universal line (sure stuff branches off) but it's the same line. So the good ending of BioShock would be the canon one. --Gearslover01 (talk) 04:45, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

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'Same' by definition doesnt exist between multiverses - each one is different. And when infinite universes 'branch off' every sub-femto-second, each one being different, then they are NOT 'the same'. All this crap with using vigor names and whole warped sections about Atlas and all the other newly introduced Columbia type stuff simply shows this is NOT the same Rapture and there is no real reason that it needs to be.

Ken Levine can say anything he wants, the money is in the bank, and it matters not that these weird addon stories dont make any sense. 'Prime' actually doesnt make any sense in the fantasy quantum multiverse system employed in BS Infinite and now tainting Rapture.

Booker and Elizabeth switched between at least 3 (4?) different 'dimensions' (alternate universes in BS Infinite )  -- so which one of THEM is 'prime'   ???

BaSE2 model picture
Isn't this the model we see in BasE2 when he stands at the lighthouse stairs, I'm pretty sure that if you would put light on hes face it would be the same: its really accurate if you look at the the one we see in the game with the shadow on hes face and the pictures that was put up?!



--Shacob (talk) 18:43, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

If the model was taken from the game files then clearly it's meant to be jack. Why else would he be wearing the exact same jumper that only jack is seen wearing? (46.7.95.98 18:50, March 30, 2014 (UTC))

Now that's what I thought, but people keep taking them down. and if that's taken from the game files then that's probably the same one we see in the game, only with shadowing or is there another model for the one we see in the game, if that's the case, I would like to see it!

Shacob (talk) 18:55, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

You should try using UE Model Viewer then. It's a free tool to visualize, import and export content from games using versions of the Unreal Engine. It should be able to generate its model. Pauolo (talk) 19:20, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

This is indeed Jack's model from Burial at Sea: Episode 2. I extracted his model from the game files and rendered it inside 3ds max, then posted it here.

--Ananina23 (talk) 02:04, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

A trustworthy source has uploaded their own version. It matches the model above. 114.108.212.143 16:10, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Plausible Reason why Jack isnt affected by ADAM :
First, you dont see him (Jack) directly in the original game, so any minor face/body 'tumors' arent evident (hands get mutated by ADAM plasmids anyway)

Second, Is he actually there long enough to be affected that way ? We keep pumping ourselves full of more ADAM over a time period that is mere days (or hours). The game's excuse of why Ryan simply didnt ban ADAM and throw Fontaine in prison for intentionally poisoning people was that it took so long to manifest itself (you would think that at least a FEW early heavy users getting diseased/mangled/insane would have made the newspapers and scared the hell out of most Citizens from even touching the stuff, and actually MAKE  Ryan  regulate the stuff as a public health/safety measure).

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Jack is not a normal human, he was bio-engineered with Lot 111 by Dr. Suchong, this might have something to do with his apparent immunity to mutation and insanity etc. from using Adam. Atlas would not have wanted his assassin (Jack) turning into a crazed splicer before Jack got to Ryan.

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Possibly but then we arent told so so all you can say is 'maybe'

Again how long it takes to become freakish looking and/or insane we arent really told (indirectly you can infer it doesnt happen too fast) and there no doubt are variations of reactions depending on how much,which ones,how frequently(and possibly some people being morse susceptible). Tonics vs Plasmids etc...

"neither of his true parents (the persons that conceived him) have these traits"
or nobody (developers) bothered to think about the issueor cared to check ???

Before this DLC did you ever get a proper look at Jack ??

Any good closeups in  BS1 even seen of Jack ?? DO we see Jolene or Ryan closups in the DLC ? (more cud to digest for the alternate universe side...)

You're Looking Pretty Old There, Jackie
Ugh, I'm not really a fan of this character model. From his long, rounded face, sandy hair, wrinkled brow, and prefectly/neatly parted hair, (sorry if you have this combination of features) this Jack just looks like an old man. I was trying to think of a word to describe this guy, and I think I came up with it: Milquetoast

I know they intended for him to stay in the shadows or for us to never get a good look at him in the game, but they have to know that we're talented enough to go looking through the game files for this model. Give him darker hair, a square jaw, a shorter forehead, and that flippy sort of part his haircut has in the security photos and then we've got something.

Unownshipper (talk) 07:46, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Its likely that Suchongs method of allowing jack to age to an adult in just a few years worked a little too well. His passport photo would of been taken when he was first smuggled up to the surface and since then he has aged rapidly, which is why he looks a lot older by Bioshock, and why he is a very old dying man by the time the Little Sister's he saved are young women. (Night at the Kashmir (talk) 17:17, May 2, 2014 (UTC))

Jack's Hair & Eye Color
Ok so we have a discrepency between BioShock and Burial at Sea (Shocker!). In the first game, Jack's passport lists both his hair and eye color as brown. In Burial at Sea - Episode 2 the character model made for him has light brown hair and green eyes.

So here's the thing: neither of these images were supposed to be seen in either game. Jack's passport never appears in BioShock (just in the game files) while the character model only appears in the shadows, so, unless you access the game files, you'd never be able to tell the hair and eye colors.

So which description should we consider canon for the character info box from BioShock or Burial at Sea?

Unownshipper (talk) 21:28, May 1, 2014 (UTC)