User blog comment:Kelis98/Should there be a Plothole page?/@comment-3967731-20160606015759/@comment-3967731-20160609091450

I had not heard one way or the other that Ken Levine has not read the novel, but that's besides the point. Here on this site, the novel is not canon.

To the matter at hand:

1) Yes, Frank Fontaine had a role in creating Jack, but it was an indirect one. Specifically, he instructed Yi Suchong to create some basic memories and implement the control code Would You Kindly and the kill command Code Yellow. So, yes, he played a part.

2) The notion that Subject Delta was created after Suchong's death comes from Gilbert Alexander's audio diary The Pair Bond Mechanism. In it, Alexander states "it is unfortunate that poor Dr. Suchong will not be here to raise a glass." The obvious implication is that he is dead, but it's not necessarily the case. Conceivably, at the moment Alexander and the other scientists were celebrating the successful creation of the Pair Bond, Suchong was busy working in his lab on another project, sick in bed with the flu, trapped in a malfunctioning elevator, etc. and thus unable to toast the accomplishment. Basically, it doesn't confirm his death.

3)It's not clear which wall you're referring to. If it's the one behind the counter, that is shown to be a secret passage, so it wasn't detectable in Bio1. If it's the one she exits through, yes there is visible difference between the 2 games, but it's a slight detail. Perhaps, no matter how inconceivable it may be, someone did some repair work between January 14, 1959 and Jack's arrival in 1960. Also, you don't know that's concrete, it could be plaster for all we know. It's too small a detail to sink the game.

4)I'm not sure what you mean by the drill, either. In Bio1 it was clear that the drill was ripped off b/c in that game there was no implication that the drill could be removed (Alpha Series weren't even a concept yet at that game's release). Burial at Sea - Episode 2 shows the drill being ripped off as well. I'm going to need you to explain why this point matters in more depth.

5)The wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey aspect of BioShock Infinite makes my head spin a little, but I'll do my best for this point: it can be understood that drowning Booker DeWitt at the baptism snuffed out most if not all of Zachary Hale Comstocks and thus the Columbias from existence, but a crux of Infinite's plotline is that certain unexpected variables dramatically change outcomes. So, clearly one or maybe a few more Comstocks still exist b/c in their reality it wasn't the day of the baptism that made all the difference ( conceivably, it was something earlier, but that's not the point ). This point is imperative, b/c without it there's no Burial at Sea (DLC). So Godlike Elizabeth goes on a trans-dimensional search to eliminate any remaining Comstocks (if there were any others still left) until she finds the very last one working as a PI in Rapture.

Again, I'm not very well versed on trans-dimensional theory, but then again from what I've seen on Youtube critique vids, even this game gets some details pretty wonky. It appears as though Elizabeth can just use her Tears to travel backwards and forwards in time. So maybe she's just time-skipping within the same dimension; she witnesses herself and Booker in the elevator, so it's not like they can't share the same dimensional space.

6) "the war meantioned in some of bioshock 1s audio diaries is the gang war between fontaine/atlas and ryan not just the rapture civil war.And then it is followed by the other games" I'm sorry, I don't understand the logic to this point. What difference does it make if there's a gang war going on at the same time as the Rapture Civil War? Please clarify.

7)I don't understand your 4 timelines. Why does there have to be a "burial at sea, alternate bioshock 1, alternate bioshock 2, alternate Minerva's den." Perhaps, it's because this is a post you made a long time ago for another discussion and it needs to be tailored or updated a little bit to what we're discussing now, but I need a little more detail to properly respond.

If your main point of contention is that there are too many visual inconsistencies between BaS 2 and the other games, and thus Elizabeth must be in an alternate Rapture than the one we the players encountered in Bio1 and Bio2, then I hope some of my responses can persuade you otherwise.

One theory that I think actually holds water is that the Rapture that Liz, Booker, and Songbird enter immediately after the fight on the Hand of the Prophet is in fact a separate one from the one in Bio1. That theory is possible if only for the fact of the second glass tunnel with the Big Daddy and Little Sister and other design differences from the Bathysphere Station.