Talk:Jack

I was under the impression that "Jack" was the Illegitimate son of Ryan then used by Fontaine and trained as an assassin.

At least thats what the Official Wikipedia Article says >_>

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Age

 * DO NOT QUOTE THIS INFO YET. It is by no means complete.
 * Response: Both answers are correct, I'm still trying to piece the puzzle together for myself. I know from the diaries that Andrew Ryan impregnated an 'entertainment' girl (you read her diary in Fort Frolic). Jack's mother then sold Jack, as an embryo, to Frank Fontaine. Jack was heavily modified genetically by both Dr. Suchong and Tenenbaum. Dr. Suchong was responsible for Jack's rapid development (also note in the good ending about 15-25 years have passed, Jack is an old man). Dr. Suchong was also responsible for Jack's mind control programming. I am still not fully aware of Tenenbaum's role in Jack's development, I assume that she was the one who gave Jack his memories, but I cannot verify this yet. I can verify that Jack's mother met Tenenbaum because she is mentioned in the diary.


 * Jack's actual age:
 * Although Jack's age is undetermined there is a diary by Dr. Suchong in Andrew Ryan's office that suggests he was able to grow a child that aged about 1 year every month (I need to take some notes from the game so DON'T quote this info yet). Jack has to be at least three years old, because Frank Fontaine disappeared and became Atlas in 1957. The oldest he can be is 12 years old because that is how long Frank Fontaine has been in Rapture. I highly doubt that Jack is 12 years old, my assumption is that he is closer to the age of 4. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 20:04, 2007 August 28. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * Should Jack be around 3, 4 years old, then his rapid aging must slow as he gets older, or else he would die like 3 years after the events of the game. And in the good ending, the little sisters are old enough to be married, so he must have lived longer than that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:01, 2008 September 25. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * it said in the game he leaft the city at 2 so wouldent it be wrong to say he was born in 1958 if he was then what he just took a flight 1 day later to rapture —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 20:51, 2009 November 16. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * If you look at the SITS timeline it might clear this up for you.


 * Jack was created by Suchong sometime before September 1958 (before Fontaine was "killed" by Ryan's men.) Suchong was still nurturing Jack and recorded the audio diary Baby Status when Jack was one year old, before Fontaine "died." Therefore, I think Jack was probably born in 1957, or 1956.
 * A radio message from Fontaine in the Proving Grounds says "I remember when me and the Kraut put you in that sub. You were no more than two." My guess is that he was smuggled out of Rapture before Fontaine went undercover, so he probably left in 1958... so that would mean he was born in 1956.
 * The events of BioShock happen some time in 1960.
 * From 1956-1960 is 4 years. So that's how you can tell Jack's age during BioShock. ~ Gardimuer { ʈalk } 23:20, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Pipe
The pipe mentioned in this article is not in fact the only pipe. I have found another in Fontaine Fisheries.-Sheedy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 20:54, 2007 September 10. Please sign your posts with ~ !

Theory
Even though Tenenbaum's precise reasons of modifying Ryan's illegitimate son are quite cryptic, there are several points which can be hypothesized. Firstly, either Tenenbaum or Fontaine knew of Ryan's affair with Jasmine Jolie, and according to her audio diary, there was some delay in extracting her fertalized egg with Ryan's genetics, causing Ryan to find out and murder her. It could be speculated that the both of them (which were working together at the time, along with Suchong) were going to use Jack for a greater cause (either in science, development of ADAM, or perhaps to save Rapture somehow) as they all knew both hypnotic phrases given to Jack. Jack was indeed used by Fontaine to kill Ryan, and then later used by Tenenbaum to freely kill Fontaine (so his initial function was carried out). It's hard to figure out whether the trigger phrase makes Jack stronger or not. I find that this event, along with the metaphors given for the Little Sisters (read diary "Why Only Girls?" to get what I mean) were not fully developed plot-wise. - NocTurn 04:58, 2007 October 7

Voice
When Jack gets his voice scrambled at the end of the game, does it ever get changed back to normal? Because it would be really weird to go back to the surface/hold the world ransom with your voice sounding like a whale. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:01, 2008 September 25. Please sign your posts with ~ !

There's no evidence to support that his voice was changed back. Fontaine says that the voice surgery is irreversable, but there's a good chance that he's lying or just unaware of any corrective surgery. I doubt there was ever a need to reverse any of the Big Daddy augmentations in the past. RaptureWhaleFan 21:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think it is reversable, Fontaine just said it's not just to scare Jack and I'm pretty sure that Tenenbaum won't allow her powerful new friend to sound like a constipated whale the reast of his life. 69.117.71.119 23:50, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

name
when did we find out jacks name —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:59, 2009 January 25. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * I'm guessing it was at the beginning of the game, with the note on the present. OneMind 20:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah the note revealed in Ryan's office says "Dear Jack not open till *Rapture's coodirnates*" --Drsalvador 17:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

How do you know his name is Jack? i never heard it in game or anywhere except the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 08:43, 2010 April 18. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * On the present in the airplane scene. The card on the box says "To: Jack". Plus, I believe the developpers refer to him as Jack. Ant423 13:58, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * In the first cutscene where he is on a plane holding the gift his fake parents gave him, a card on it says to Jack, so, there you have it. --Gearslover01 19:48, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Aperances
I would like to mention that I have added to this article concerning what I believe may be another photo of Jack found in central control on the wall that has the blood writing "would you kindly". Does anyone else agree with me? Also it should be noted that Jack can be seen entirly at one point in the Bioshock trailer just befor the camera zooms up into first person. I have one more question, is Jack's name ever mentioned in any piont other than on the note with the gift and in his Flash back? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 08:21, 2009 April 28. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * bioshock trailer is not jack because he doesn't have the chain tattoos. The producers call him Jack. Other than the note, I can't seem to recall his name mentioned by anyone in the game. Atlas perhaps? nah 81.69.3.248 13:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That is jack that you see in the good ending.Plus HE raised the Little Sisters on the surface --Ryan Pierce 18:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Bioshock54

Ryan
Andrew Ryan initially suspects that Jack is a CIA spook, then comes to the conclusion that he is not based on his behavior.

How come Andrew Ryan did not notice Jack's entrance to Rapture was with a bathysphere, while of course Atlas does. If he did notice, he could easily would have known Jack is his own blood, therefore playing a game with Jack (and Atlas). Also because of the vita chambers 81.69.3.248 13:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Height
How damn short is Jack?! his head only comes to halfway up a health station & I measured him as 4 & a half tiles tall in one one of the bathrooms, the tiles being about a foot, so is Jack 4'6''? Pararaptor 06:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)''


 * I'd just like to point out to you, that the Unreal Engine shows the camera at gun hight, as do some other games running on other engines. I noticed this too when playing the slot machines. Jack is probably a good 6 feet tall, it's just we experiance it at stomach level. Anonymous --98.108.152.32 09:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Jack is coolio --Ryan Pierce 14:22, September 16, 2009 (UTC)bioshock54
 * The camera is at Chest height, not stomach height wut. 69.254.53.223 16:05, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Guys, think about this for a moment. How could you "aim down the sight" of a gun from chest height? Also, when Jack puts on the Big Daddy suit, we're able to see through it as if it was through his eyes. Same can be said about Subject Delta and Subject Sigma. RaptureWhaleFan 20:34, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an Engine thing, not a plot-related thing. - Drsalvador 02:38, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an Engine thing, not a plot-related thing. - Drsalvador 02:38, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an Engine thing, not a plot-related thing. - Drsalvador 02:38, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Aging speculation removal
Given the overwhelming evidence that Jack ages normally after the events of Bioshock 1, I'm requesting that the aging theories and speculation section be removed. Brainwasher5 21:48, February 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You'd be surprised at how many people are still convinced that Jack only lives 4 years after his Rapture experience (At least outside this wiki). I have to agree with the evidence on this page though. Ant423 01:40, March 18, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Canon ending?
Given the events of Bioshock 2, is it right to conclude that the "good" ending to Bioshock is the canonical one? If the other ending(s) were true, wouldn't Jack be the leader of Rapture during the events of Bioshock 2? It's possible that his reign could be short-lived and that he ends up dead or "dethroned" before Delta's revival, but no one seems to make any mention of him ever being in charge. The splicers do revere him, but this could partially be due to Sofia Lamb's admiration of his story, and because of his defeat of Ryan. I'd say, given that no record of Jack being the head of Rapture exists anywhere in Bioshock 2, that the ending with Jack saving the Little Sisters and giving them the chance to live normal lives is the true ending. I'm sure that 2K wants to leave this open ended so that either ending can work in the storyline, but there's not much to support the "bad" endings of the first game in the sequel. --RaptureWhaleFan 01:45, February 16, 2010


 * I'd agree that the good ending seems to the canon one - it made more sense at the time, and it certainly fits better with the sequel, especially as I think in the Atlantic Express depot, you can overhear several splicers talking about Jack heading topside after saving a bunch of Little Sisters. That said, we do know from SITS that a nuclear submarine did visit the plane crash site sometime after the first game, as depicted in the bad ending, so presumably that particular element can be considered canon too.--BADavid 15:41, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

That trivia, I just undid, made no sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 15:10, 2010 February 20. Please sign your posts with ~ !

Passport
Hey all, guess what I found?



I figured I would put this here for people to evaluate before adding it to the article. This image was found in the 0-Lighthouse.bsm file. If you don't believe me, have a look for yourself! EDlTʘR  •taIk• 00:08, March 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wynand??? Wow. Hey! Jack is actually 23 years old (appearance-wise that is). I think most of us guessed Jack was around that age. I'm not surprised he's from Kansas since he apparently grew up on a farm. Good job finding that image Ant423 01:38, March 18, 2010 (UTC)Ant423


 * before we go and change every part on his page where it says his last name is Ryan we should consider that his last name on the passport is probably his name from the fake life that was programed into his mind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 01:41, 2010 March 18. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * Obviously it's a fake name, but technically, Jack doesn't have a last name. Wynand is clearly the official name that appears on Jack's documents. Andrew Ryan is Jack's father, but he is illegitimate, so the question is not "What is Jack's last name?" but rather, "Which last name is the more official one?" Also, which last name does Jack take when returns to the surface? Ant423 01:59, March 18, 2010 (UTC)Ant423


 * I would say Ryan is his name at the bottom of the ocean but not on the surface. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:06, 18 March 2010 . Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * According to Jordan Thomas in this post on the 2K Forums Jack was never really meant to have an "official" name:


 * If we do consider this image canon, then it means that all of the information in it was fabricated by Fontaine: a fake name, a fake address, even fake previous passport stamps to make it look like the passport had been in use since 1940 something (since Jack couldn't possibly have used it until 1958.) The only information in this passport that isn't a lie by Fontaine is the physical description of Jack. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 10:17, March 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * What in the world would make you think 'Wynand' for a last name? It'd have made more sense if Fontaine had used an anagram or something...Jerseygirl860 01:17, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some people think it is another Ayn Rand reference: a major character in Rand's novel "The Fountainhead" has the last name "Wynand" ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 00:56, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahh... that makes sense. Thanks!Jerseygirl860 01:07, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I might be an anonymous user (So discredit this if you wish), but considering Jack was an illigitimate child, wouldn't that make his actual last name Jolene after his mother? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 14:20, 2010 September 8 (UTC). Please remember to sign your posts with ~.


 * Well, Ryan and Jolene weren't married, so I guess it would be "Jack Ryan" after his father. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 19:38, 2011 March 6 (UTC). Please remember to sign your posts with ~.

Removed trivia

 * (Moved the following speculation to the talk page as per the BioShock Wiki:Trivia Policy. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 17:48, June 14, 2010 (UTC))


 * Taking his biological father into account names the character Jack Ryan, a character created by Tom Clancy with whom he shares several thematic aspects: both have an "everyman" quality about them, that of a tough but relatively normal person thrown into circumstances for which they are psychologically unprepared. Andrew Ryan initially suspects that Jack is a CIA spook, then comes to the conclusion that he is not based on his behavior. In contrast, Clancy's Jack Ryan actually is a CIA employee whose mission requires him to impersonate a naval officer. Both are forced to engage in gun-play underwater to survive.

Jack's (possible) wife
Look, I'm new to this, so I'm sorry if it looks all messed up.

Have you ever wondred who Jack's wife is? I think I may know. Wait for it- Tenenbaum. That's right, you read that correctly. Why do I think this? Well lets start with the basics. If you have eyes, you know that Tenenbaum is quite good looking, at least in her radio picture. I usually go by what most characters look like in radio pictures, since nearly every one in Rapture looks alike (thanks for that, devs >.<). Either way, you all know that you could win over Tenenbaum by saving Little Sisters as opposed to harvesting them. So if you kepp saving them, you gain more respect and possibly affection from her. And Jack also falls in love with her along the way. So by the time Jack goes to confront Fontaine, the two of them would be deeply in love. More support for my theory come from the final line in the "Good" ending: "And in the end, what was your reward? You never said, but I think I know. A family." What I think Tenenabum means by that is they were together for a while and Jack never did mention what his reward was for saving the Little Sisters.

So after Fontaine is dead, there is enough time between Jack choosing to adopt the five Little Sisters and him going topside in a bathysphere for him and Tenenbaum to kiss, embrace, etc. They go back to the surface togther and get married soon after. Besides, Jack can't raise the five little girls all by himself. There is NO WAY he can do that. Sure, he can defeat hundreds of splicers and kill the most powerful man in Rapture singlehandly, but he needs some help in rasing the girls. Who better to do this than the "Mother" of all of them? — Mr Bio Shock 01:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Tenenbaum also worked with Charles Milton Porter. Really, I don't see any sure reason why he would take a wife, let alone Tenenbaum with her own objectives. ~ Ṃᶒ<font color="#00aa00">ɠ<font color="#00bb00">ą<font color="#00cc00">§<font color="#00dd00">ɔ î é ɳ č ę <font color="#ff0000">{ <font color="#ff4400">t<font color="#ff8800">al k }  21:03, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Considering what Tenenbaum said, the only thing that seems certain is that she stayed to help Jack for a while, or for whatever reason she had. The rest is probably just Fanfic. But it's a nice image all the same, just not possible. Dark Swarmlord 13:55, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I never said they really got married, I just noticed these details and it is just a theroy. It would be quite nice if it was true, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr Bio Shock 01:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Aw hell no! Jack is mine! just kidding. So anyway, I always thought what tenenbaum meant by family is just the children. I think 5 little girls is as much as any nuclear family. Second she worked with lots of guys, like Yi Suchong and Milton and Fontaine. Sometimes there is someting implied about them having some "relations" between Fontaine and Tenenbaum. (paparazzi's audio diary) But, shes probably pretty profesional. Third of all think about it. Tenenbaum and Suchong were supposed to take care of Jack. I am talking surrogate parents. Like Tenenbaum is Jack's mother figure. If what your saying is canon, it would be disgusting. Sorry to burst your bubble.PiccoloGirl 01:35, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean for it be "canon" (besides, canon is confusing, I made it as simple as possible). The two of them fall in love during Jack's little adventure, and get marrried after they leave Rapture. Hey, a little time in Rapture can bring people together.
 * True, true. your story is kinda heartwarming. make a fan fic why don't you? I have my own fan fic.PiccoloGirl 01:35, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought people considered this Fanfic to begin with. BTW what sort of Fanfic did you make? Mr Bio Shock 01:21, March 24, 2011 (UTC) 20:01, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * also tenenbaum is in bioshock 2 so i disagree i believe she would stay down in rapture looking after the rest of the little sisters jack saved
 * @ who ever posted above-
 * You obviously can't read. Tenenbaum left for the surface after the events of BioShock and returned in BioShock 2 to rescue the new generation of Little Sister. She says so in the audio diary Return, found in the Adonis Luxury Resort. <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!"> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 21:14, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!"> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * @ who ever posted above-
 * You obviously can't read. Tenenbaum left for the surface after the events of BioShock and returned in BioShock 2 to rescue the new generation of Little Sister. She says so in the audio diary Return, found in the Adonis Luxury Resort. <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!"> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 21:14, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!"> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!"> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished my first fanfic bout this topic, check it out on my profile. Mr Bio Shock <span style="cursor: wait;" title="Evolve today!"> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 23:35, July 15, 2011 (UTC)