Talk:Subject Delta

where did the name subject delta come from i paid attention to something in the sea for a few months but it ended up geting so confusing with all the names that i quit looking was his name found out about from that

His name came up in the Siren Alley trailer. Freezing Mike 00:06, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

i have seen that a few dozen times where dose it say that? 14:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)~

When she says, Rapture is a body, Delta. In the beginning. Freezing Mike 16:50, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

oh

So it's safe to assume there's Alpha, Beta and Gamma subjects somewhere? :P --Necrosis103 16:46, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I see someone whacked my point in the trivia :P --Necrosis103 21:07, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

One audio log in bioshock 1 said there were sevral test subjects all failed to bond with little sisters except 1

Are you serious?!There was an audio diary that said that?!Where was an audio diary that that?!?!?I want to know where it was!!Delta daddie 21:30, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

It occurred to me that Delta must have been the same Big Daddy that killed Suchong, if he is in fact the first to be successfully bonded to a Little Sister...

That doesn't make sense though, time wise.

Thats too bad about the other daddies, would have made excellent boss fights. Sofia Lamb gets desperate and reactivates the earlier models to stop Delta.

(Spoiler Warning) Contemplate this!!! During part of BioShock, you will be tasked with becoming a Big Daddy, (smelling, looking, seeing, and hearing like one) searching throughout Point Prometheus to find parts of dead or discarded Big Daddies. It is very possible that Jack is Subject Delta, as he was born in Rapture and Fontaine (AKA, Atlas) could control him with verbal commands up to a point in the plot. As Jack lived outside of Rapture, yet originated from it, this explains why noone in Rapture knew about him, except Mr. Ryan, Ms. Tenenbaum, and Mr. Fontaine.

Ooohhhh I just thought of something!Yes it is very far fetched but hey what the heck!What if Subject Delta is Eleanor's father and Sofia is her mother!You know it kind of makes sense if you think about it a bit you know?If Subject Delta had a young daughter it would make sense they would make his only Little Sister from His daughter if he had one.Delta daddie 08:17, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I heard in the forom about the big sister that Ryan and Jasmine had the baby [you know the one that tenenbaum took out that would later become jack] and that the embryo grew and split into 2 seperate fetues one was jack and the other was jacks brother.....If you have half a brain cell you know where i'm going with this.....Jack was conditioned with the Would you Kindly phrase and the accelreated growth while Jacks brother was treated with accelerated growth but not mide control because they were still trying to make the big daddys to protect the little sisters as said in audio diaries found by jack in the events of Bioshock. So while Jack grew up So did his brother, and his brother grew up quickly but led a normal life as they still had to go through big daddys Alpha, Beta, and Gamma before they called apon the soon to be Subject Delta, who was already married to a women....A women named Sophia Lamb, who together already had a Child. A child age 8, with dark brown hair named Eleanor Lamb. so while Subject Delta was being turned into a big daddy they thought what better Little Sister to have for him then his own Daughter, Leaving Sophia alone. Then as Delta was put to sleep and the events of Bioshock take place and Eleanor is saved. all of this takes place and then 10 years have past. Eleanor is on the surface now age 18 or 16 [ haven't crunched numbers yet] She realises that she has no family that mom and dad are both in rapture, and she loses it. she now uses the bathysphere to go back down to rapture [seeing as she is realated to Ryan] and since she is still a Little Sister just grown up she goes and finds Sophia, who twists her lies about Delta seeing as she's pretty pissed of at Delta for taking her daughter and himself away from her. so she trows on armor and calls herself the big sister. seeing as she is realated to Ryan she can use both the Bathysperes and the Vita-Chambers, thats why when you kill her in game she pops up again in the later levels, so she goes and starts stealing kids and making them in Little Sisters, so she can live like it used to be with Sophia down in Rapture. But Tenenbaum finds out that Eleanor has gone to rapture through all the other Little Sisters that she Stayed in contact with on the surface and goes after her. when she finds out what shes doing she awakes the strongest Big Daddy ever Built, Subject Delta, not knowing that he's realated to both Sopia and the Big Sister. seeing as you can use Vita-Chambers, As well as how the Big Sister can use Vita-Chambers, and as well as why both Sophia and Eleanor aka Big Sister are ticked off at you. But as soon as you are awoken Eleanor remebers who you really are and what happened thats why she leaves presents for you but seeing as her metal conditioning or her slug weren't fully removed [part I forgot to add above] she is under Sophia's control and can't stop herself from fighting you, kind of like Jack's would you kindly phrase. Sophia's Ticked off, Insane, and controling the new and improved Big Sister. That explanes both the subject Delta and Big sister Vita-Chamber use as well as how almost everyone in the story line got involed as well as why Sophia is so Pissed off. CAN YOU FEEL IT !!!!???? god i'm awesome, took me 3 and a half hours to think this up and type it. sorry about the size of it. but remeber kids this is only one of many conspirisy [spelled wrong I know] therys all across the world. Just my two cents.Also Gardimuer and MeLovGamng are awesome keep rocking everyone your Friendly neighborhood User:Samsam424

WOW!You really are good!Seeing that you thought up most of that on your own and a lot of this makes sense but,Honestly the only problems I see with this theory is that IT has been confirmed that there is more than one Big Sister (Although THERE was an original Big Sister but she left after all the others came),And one of the guys that played BioShock 2 said that there where some Big Sisters that you could kill and some that you could only drive away.That said,If all of the Big Sisters happened to be just one they would all fight to the death.Oh and these are just questions but did you get some of this from my theory and were did it say that Jack's embryo split?Delta daddie 22:32, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i looked at your article and a thought well thats possible and the I looked at the article below this one and it made sense cause that one says on the would you kindly room board theres a picture of jack connected to a upside down picture with a quesion mark on it but if you look closely at the silloete of the 2 photos there really close exept for a few diffrences. so the 2 thoughts slammed into each other and i filled in the blanks and thats how i got my story, and about the one big sister idea even though if there was only one they would fight to the death, but remeber shes realated to ran which means she can use vita-chambers, and as for the fight-or-flight proublum in which you can only kill or drive away the big sister[s] think about it, it's all natural human reactions if you had to fight someone in which you could respawn if you die, if that same guy killed you then you came back the he killed you again the next time you fight that gut you have 2 choices either die again, which i belive is very painful [lol], or run away with your life, which would you choose? or im completly wrong and my whole thery is B.S. one of the 2.User:Samsam424

Thank you!Honestly just about everything else makes sense EXCEPT the Big Sister,theory I can understand you liking it but I just don't like it sorry! Delta daddie 18:17, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

hey, never said you had to like it i just asked you to read.User:Samsam424

yes,sorry i know but i thought i might as well say what i think even if most people don't like what i say sorry Delta daddie 00:38, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Here is my theory. Remember when Fontaine supposedly "died" in a shootdown? When mentioned in one of the audio diaries in BioShock 2(Spoilers here) Please forgive me here as they removed the audio diary. I'll try to say as much as I can remember, only the important point. "I had to disconnect you at ctaft 92 in order to make the fools believe their leader Fontaine was dead". Now that was the edgiest I could remember. So theory suggests the fake death but not so fake could be Delta so Sofia Lamb had helped Fontaine in faking his death. So this happened in 1958 when Delta was hit with a hypnotize plasmid by a splicer(This is shown on the leaked information on Sofia Lamb's page). I also managed to get a glimpse of the ending of BioShock 2. You(Delta) reaches Fontaine Futuristics and you see all the what appears to look like plasmid dispensers or advertisements and a door in the middle. All of a sudden the lights and the surrounding start shaking and that's all I manage to see. Any thoughts on this? Poanp 18:57, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Delta
WELL,i think that Delta is Jacks twin brother?Im just guessing because i noticed were ryans office is the room with pictures of Tenenbaum,Ryan,Jasmin...And where is written on the wall would y kindly the Jacks pic is tappet together with blank pic with ? in the middle.If y look closely it does have the same shape and figure.See in http://www.bioshock2forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39 The twin brother was put as the one of the test subjects for big daddy.Why would Tenenbaum wake him up anyway.

Hey, has anyone noticed that that theres a tank thats supposed to hold Big Daddies busted open near the voicebox modification thing in Point Prometheus?

Anyone notice that in the video hunting thebig sister when delta wakes up he looks like a rosie. this clashes with the illustration s of him so i hope they changed it. GeneralOwnage55 20:48, January 13, 2010 (UTC) They did,it was just a place holder model until they put Delta's real helmet design in.

That vid is extremely old. There have since been many other vids showing Delta's new look. Ant423 21:22, January 13, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Eleanor Lamb
I am trying to find out where he basis for the idea that Eleanor is Delta's daughter comes from. So far, we don't actually know if we've seen a picture of Eleanor. All we've seen is a picture of some girl, who resembles the girl from the Sea of Dreams trailer, who calls Delta father. No where is it actually stated that Eleanor is related to Delta. I'm looking to the wiki for help here. Where is the evidence for Eleanor being related to Delta?

Well, the theory goes like this: first of all, Eleanor's got the biggest chances of being the original Big Sister, since she was the original Little Sister as well. It's confirmed that she's Lamb's daughter, and that Delta's looking for her, since she was bonded to him. Now, when there's that cutscene where this teenage girl (who's the same age as Eleanor would be at the time of the game) calls Delta "father", he's right in front of this gift left by Eleanor. Ergo, chances are strong she's Delta's daughter as well. --Willbachbakal 21:14, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

As to the cutscene from the girl, I see it as more redundant if it were Eleanor infront of her own gift. However, in light of the recent Polish videos, It seems that Eleanor is infact Delta's daughter. There is a quote written on the screen during a flashback that has Eleanor's name attached to it, and her calling Delta daddy. I think it's still trying to be determined whether this is a legitimate source or not though.--Magicman4443 21:50, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well It's not likely that Delta is Eleanor's biological father, the Little Sisters are mentally conditioned to see Big Daddies as a fatherly figure so the girl from the flashback could be a lost Little Sister calling out to her "Daddy". Also, Eleanor is supposed the first Little Sister successfully bonded to a Big daddy so she must see Delta as a father.

Well, if you look at the quote I added on Eleanor's article (taken from one of the Polish videos) it's clearly visible that Eleanor is Delta's daughter. Which would mean that Delta was romantically involved with Sofia at some point. Ew.

Also, notice that Eleanor's a redhead? Considering that Sofia's hair is blonde, that means Delta's probably got red hair. --Willbachbakal 17:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Delta having red hair isn't necessarily true. red hair is a recessive gene, so speaking in simple terms, Delta could have any hair color, and Red hair would only show up if he had gotten a pair of the recessive red head gene from a parent. It's more likely that he got some dominant hair color like Brown, with a recessive gene like red, and that, with Sophia Lamb having a recessive red gene, would lead to Eleanor having red hair. That's assuming that Eleanor actually is Delta's daughter.

I'm still not fully convinced that we can assume Eleanor is Delta's daughter. I've seen the polish videos, and therefore her quote, but I still have issues with it. MegaScience pointed out in one discussion on the 2K forums that Eleanor may just be referring to Delta as Father because she is older. Normal little sister refer to any big daddy as "daddy".Eleanor may have grown up past that phase. Also, that would make it a perfect distraction from 2K. Would Jordan Thomas make such an obvious plot point as having Eleanor be Delta's daughter, her calling him father within 5 minutes of starting the single player up?--Magicman4443 18:22, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well yeah, I think he would. I mean, not every BioShock 2 player has been looking at every single article on this wiki for the past year, so they won't know the plot twist. And why would Eleanor talk about her mother if Delta wasn't her father? --Willbachbakal 18:25, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

But the player would know the plot twist 5 minutes into the game. I still think it's more of Jordan Thomas trying to mess with the player. That sentence could easily be Eleanor still referring to her "daddy" as "father" because she's grown older, while she refers to her mother as "mother" because she really is her mother. I think it's just meant to throw the player off.

My whole point of this discussion is I don't think we should put info on the Wiki explicitly stating that Eleanor is Delta's daughter, but that she could be his daughter.--Magicman4443 18:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, aside from a birth certificate, it can't be more clear that Eleanor is Delta's daughter. I mean, there's the quotes from the videos, and it also fits: the first Big Daddy-Little Sister pair is an actual father-daughter relationship. --Willbachbakal 18:54, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I still think it fits too perfectly. I don't think there is any way to definitively say the Eleanor is Delta's daughter.--Magicman4443 18:58, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Origins
Subject Delta may have been the Big Daddy that killed Yi Suchong in Artemis Suites, since Delta was the first Big Daddy to successfully bond with a Little Sister. That would mean that Eleanor was the Little Sister that Suchong struck.

There is one flaw in that theory, the fact that the drill in suchong is ment to be attached where the right hand was. And delt has both of his hands. so delta didnt do that. GeneralOwnage55

The drill could've been imbedded enough in the table and Dr Suchong to prevent it's removal without either detaching the drill or having it physically removed. it is unknown if the Bouncer Big Daddys seen so far have gloves on both hands (the hand on the drill arm operating the drill), if that's the case, the drill is attached to the suit and can be detached if a mechanical fault occurs to either repair it or replace it. Dr Suchong couldn't get the Big Daddys to form a protection bond with the little sisters (Alpha, Beta and Gamma were probably considered failures), but when he slapped a little sister (possibly Elennor), the protection bond formed and the Big Daddy (possibly Delta) killed him. Vae Infectus 01:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't Delta created before ALL big daddies? A different big daddy killed Suchong, his body was "fresh" when Jack found him, steam still hot off the drill.

Actually, his name "Delta" implies he is the fourth prototype (Delta is the 4th letter of the Greek alphabet). Delat is also the first BD to bond with a sister, and it is this fact that lead to the speculation that he is Suchong's killer. Ant423 19:11, January 19, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Splicers attack Delta?
Shouldn't they not atttack him? Maybe the splicers are being ordered by the Rapture family to destroy him? Either way splicers shouldn't be able to attack big daddys.

Why not? Splicers fought Big Daddies all the time in Bioshock 1. Also, it's stated that Splicers have adapted new methods of killing Big Daddies in the last 10 years since the first game, which is exactly why the Rumbler was created. Also, being a prototype, Delta is weaker (and arguably less intimidating than a real Big Daddy). Ant423 19:46, January 19, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Problem has come to my attention
Okay,it's okay to make predictions about Delta but we can't just put them in the article like they are fact.How do we know that Sofia shot Delta,Eleanor is his daughter etc. nothing has been confirmed.Wait until you have soild evidenice don't post it on the article.

SubjectBeta 20:17, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the part about Delta being forced to shoot himself is fact, unless the PCG reviewer got it wrong. --Willbachbakal 22:22, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Subject Delta's background idea
After the last four Subjects failed,Dr.Suchong is trying to get Little Sister( Eleanor Lamb) to bond to Delta. Eleanor was pestering him and he struck her and it unexpectedly triggered Delta"s anger to kill him.Then he took Eleanor and ran off but was finally caught and was put into hibernation.From then on all the Big Daddies had no free will because their actions could be very unexpected as well they took away their abillty to use plasmids because it was too costly.Eleanor was resigned to a new Big Daddy and was eventally rescued by Jack and taken to the surface.Subject Delta remained in hibernation until Tenebaum remenbered him and awakend him to stop the Big Sisters and Lamb from taking girls.All through out this Eleanor returns to Raptue and is trying to contact Delta and help him on his way.

SubjectBeta 20:44, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting theory. We'll have to wait for the game's release or at least more info to confirm that. --Willbachbakal 22:22, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Section of Subject Delta article.
''Before the events of BioShock 2 Delta was dead, having been forced to shoot himself in the head by Sofia Lamb, Eleanor's mother, while under the effects of a mind-control plasmid.[citation needed] However, he is resurrected for reasons unknown at a Vita-Chamber in the Adonis Luxury Resort, and manages to make brief radio contact with Dr. Tenenbaum. ''

This is PURE SPECTULATION! There is absolutely no information released so far to even specuate this.

It isn't speculation. The data can be found on the PC Gamer review of the game. --Willbachbakal 22:22, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Intro Delta's Beginning
BEWARE MAJOR SPOILERS thumb|300px|right|Leaked Intro

Hey man, AMAZING VID!!! Is that Naledi Atkins at around 1:45??? Ant423 02:50, January 27, 2010 (UTC)Ant423


 * Damn, it has been removed. Didnt get a chance to watch it. Does anyone know where I can get it? (CallumFreeman 17:14, January 28, 2010 (UTC))


 * I don't know if there is another one. That vid was filmed by a guy who happened to own the game; it's obviously not an official video. Try looking at his Youtube channel for external links. Basically, this is what happens in the vid...


 * MAJOR SPOILERS:


 * You see Delta pounding on a little sister vent, and Eleanor comes out and they harvest corpses together. They then pass through a New Year's party and Eleanor moves far up ahead. She screams and Delta runs after her and sees her being attacked by 4 splicers (Naledi and possibly Jacob are two of the splicers...Easter Egg maybe???) Delta pulls out his drill and kills 3 of them, but the 4th splicer hypnotizes Delta. Lamb then walks onto the scene and tells Delta that Eleanor is her daughter, not his. She then tells Delta to pull of his helmet and shoot himself in the head with a pistol she gives him. After that, the game starts as normal (Note that the entire intro is in the 1st person). Hope this helps. Ant423 17:49, January 28, 2010 (UTC)Ant423


 * Yes thank you. Sounds sad though (CallumFreeman 18:19, January 28, 2010 (UTC))


 * CallumFreeman, I love you. THAT IS THE JUICIEST INFORMATION EVER. I would KILL to see that intro. It's like the most epic ever! I hate Take 2 Games for taking it down. Oh well, guess I'll have to wait for the game. But please, if you find any other intro vid PLEASE post it here so I can see it. THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME Poanp 19:32, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I managed to save the video with Downloadhelper before it was taken down, although I won't be putting it back up anytime. Just for my own point of reference. ~Ṃ ᶒ ɠ ą § ɔ î é ɳ č ę   { t al <font color="#ff4400">k <font color="#ff0000">} 01:49, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

MegaScience, if you don't mind if I could see this video you downloaded? I would've downloaded the video immediately with my Internet Download Manager. If you want to e-mail, could you discuss on my talk page please? Thanks Poanp 08:10, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Attention, Gamespot will be launching a video which will feature the first 15 minutes of Bioshock 2. It may include the opening sequence. It will be released sometime today http://www.gamespot.com/shows/now-playing/?event=now_playing_bioshock_220100129 (CallumFreeman 12:11, January 29, 2010 (UTC))

THE VIDEO IS BACK! (By a different user this time). Here is the link: I guess it's a little too late, since the game comes out in 2 days, but whatever. There aren't major spoilers, since it's just the intro, but if you refuse to see anything until the game comes out, don't click on the link. Not sure if the video will be removed like the last one. Ant423 20:09, February 7, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Other Big Daddys?!
I know that i am problobly overeacting but i saw this one vid,And i don't know if this link will work but look up this link http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14240341/bioshock-2/videos/ignstrategize_bioshock2_020310.html.And you can see what looks like a another subject delta. (Delta daddie 09:39, February 4, 2010 (UTC))

I saw it too! it look exactly like delta, I saw one holding a gatling gun. New big Daddy type? Glitchbreaker 23:09, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think it might be one of the other prototypes because I saw what looked like a D.B. shotgun at one point.Say what you want. (Delta daddie 02:56, February 5, 2010 (UTC))

There's something wrong witht he video; it won't download. Is there another website where I can find it? Ant423 00:17, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

I don't know.It happened to me too. (Delta daddie 02:56, February 5, 2010 (UTC))

'''Alright i just saw this vid on xbox live, and it scared the crap out of me. You have to fight yourself????!!!!!!! P.S does any one know what the decoy plasmid does in the second game? it may just do what we saw in that Vid...Samsam424 07:19, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Samsam424'''