Talk:BioShock: Rapture (Novel)

canonicity
Do we consider this book completely canon? Or only partially? Because it would seem like, that if we hold it in equally high regard as the game, this wiki could grow to 1.5 tiems the size of the current size.--Fijure 11:27, June 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a good question ! It depends if the book contains a lot of descriptions and new things I think. If yes, maybe we should create a new catégorie as the Bioshock Game, Bioshock (Novel)..
 * That's my opinin, but we have to wait for the admin :) BioshockWays 13:31, June 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * As mentioned by Levine right here the novel isn't considered canon. Maybe this should be mentioned somewhere in the article? -- The Sanity Assassin 20:51, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I read it at least 3 times now. It's partial cannon, some of it not so much, such as Bill McDonagh having a wife named Elaine and a daughter named Sophie, which for some reason he never mentions in game for some reason, so yeah. Mr Bio Shock  http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bioshock/images/thumb/a/a1/Physical_Tonic.png/15px-Physical_Tonic.png 20:35, September 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Some parts of the book contradict the games, and some parts are unconfirmed. However, there is no need to mention this in the article about the novel itself. Instead, we will mark info from the novel in other articles by using the Template:Novelsource. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 21:10, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Icon
I feel that content related to the novel should also have its own icon, as with SiTS and the games. Could someone active on the wikia come up with an icon in case we agree to implement this? --Willbachbakal 18:58, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * What exactly do you mean by it's own icon? I don't think I've seen the other pages having icons relting to what source they are from. And again, how are we going to cover the content from this book. Like the huge ammount of new characters appearing? Does they all deserve their own pages, like the characters form SiTS and the games. ANd perhaps more important: what about the new content about existing characters? Such as Ryan's flashback in the prologue, about his family when escaping Russia. And Bill McDonagh fighting in the Second World War? is that content to be merged inside the pages?--Fijure 21:45, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Take a look at this. This is what I'm talking about. When you edit a page, you'll see there is practically always this template at the top of the article. Since the novel is a new major source of content, I think it should deserve its own place in the list. Also, to answer your second problem, I think Gardimuer came up with a very nice-looking template designed to indicate content taken from the novel, so we could just add that and add the new info under it. --Willbachbakal 01:21, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Games template is currently broken due to Wikia changes to page layouts. I plan to get it working again some time soon, and I also plan to create an icon for the book. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 14:31, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Adding informations
After waiting during the whole vacancies I finally have the book in hands (Champagne !) and I thought I will add on the wikia informations from the novel, like a timeline and a storyline. Since I heard the book was not always canon to the games' lores, I will add those informations on separate pages to avoid any confusion. Btw, maybe we should add a link to the novel's article and to Something in the Sea's article on the "BioShock Series" button, as well as a link for a "Rapture Characters" page (to be created) that will give the links for the series' characters pages so it would be easier to access them when you are navigating on pages other than the Wikia menu.

For now, the prototype timeline which will be completed later:

1918

 * Pyotr Rianofski and his son Andrei flee from the Soviet Union and witness the execution of their cousin Dmitri and his wife Vassilia by the Red Guard.

1945

 * August 6
 * United States drops an atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima.


 * August 9
 * A second atomic bomb is dropped on the Japanese city of Nagasaki.


 * Undefined Date
 * Andrew Ryan receives from his source in the State Department reports of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and decides to start his great project.

1946

 * Bill McDonagh encounters Andrew Ryan while changing the plumbing in his apartment on Park Avenue, New York City. Impressed to see in him his own ideals, Ryan offers him a job as his new building engineer.

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Bioshock: Columbia?
Does anybody know has he mentioned making a book for Bioshock Infinite? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 02:41, 2012 February 21 (UTC). Please remember to sign your posts with ~.


 * It's way too early for 2K Games to be planning something of that kind. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 22:50, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

A little shocked
I find it a little shocking, and a bit funny to read that Tenenbaum, and Fontaine had an affair.

─D.Ryan─ (talk) 23:12, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I was kinda weirded out by it, honestly... xD

GothLoliManda (talk) 02:48, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yea, quite desturbing, I am reading it right now... well what we heard by Paparazzi, it might be true, they sure have a history.... but still I don't se Tenenbaum as the romantic kind.

Shacob (talk) 04:03, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Revamped: book canon?
The only given argument from before that I've seen of why the book isn't considered canon is because Ken Levine hadn't read the book, even though the author said he either had a representative be the voice of Ken (Ken's consultant of sorts) or directly consulted Ken. I believe we should take Ken's word with a grain of salt since the man also doesn't consider Bioshock 2 his game, therefore wouldn't that also mean Bioshock 2 isn't canon?

My question is what exactly messes with the canon apart from mentions of Bill McDonagh's family? Because a lot of elements from the book help and helped fill in gaps or questions have had or may have. From the situation of Suchong-Alexander with the Big Daddies and Suchong's death, to discussing the prefabrication and construction (Bill notes that the metal girders couldn't be steel but some special alloy, or a mix of alloys as Ryan explains to him), among other possibilities.

The book is also filled with information of how the locations are built, how they run and what exists in them (For example, we learn from BaS that Arcadia has cabins as well as grain farms of sorts, while the book reveals that light as well as air was let in through vents above sea level via the Lighthouse and an assortment of mirrors for natural sunlight mixed with artificial light and other bits of info like an approx. date when people had to start paying to get into Arcadia).

I just wanted to bring up this topic again since I've seen people take elements from the book to help explain discrepencies on the talk pages. Tricksteroffools (talk) 01:56, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well yes, Ken has shown some dislike for both the book and Bio2

Here's what he think about Bio2:

http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/bioshock_infinite/preview-2616.html

And I believe he said something on Twitter about the book but I can't find it. But I found I page telling that he wrote a small bit of it.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/02/11/ken-levines-bioshock-rapture-foreword-completed/

Yes there's A LOT of interesting and new info in the book (I'm reading it right now). Origion of several characters and you can even read what happen in the Kashmir on new year's eve.

But sence the book was released things has happen, like Minervas Den and Burial at Sea that is not included in the book.

So I don't know, I really wan't it to be canon, But I can't over look some things...

Shacob (talk) 02:43, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Canon or not? Add this info in the article!
I'm confused by now. Is the book canon, secondary canon, or not at all canon? How does this wiki see the issue? All book-related entries mention that it is not certified canon, but the main page to the book is silent on the issue. Even if the status is still undecided, mention that on the article page. [b]PERSONALLY,[/b] I'd say it should be considered canon where it doesn't contradict the game, or where the contradiction makes more sense.


 * Unfortunately, the book makes too many serious contradictions from the game to be counted as canon. Ken Levine has formally declared it non-canon. This site, as the BioShock Wiki, documents the information from the book here, but summarily asserts that it doesn't impact the canon narrative in any way.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 01:03, April 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a bit of double-talk here. Ken Levine said in a 2009 interview that he was working on a novel with John Shirley.


 * "I'm working on the BioShock novel being done, with a writer named John Shirley, and I'm going to just sort of peek my nose in and write the prologue and the epilogue of that. And I'm sitting down to write it, and it's like, 'Oh! I can just write about Tenenbaum! I can just say what she's saying! And she can talk! And the audience may not go off and, like, shoot her in the head while she's saying it!'"


 * And then he says that he hasn't read it in 2011.


 * "@ralpharend since i haven't read it, would have to say no." UpgradeTech (talk) 19:36, May 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think I remember both statement, and they don't help. I still don't see Ken Levine working on the book apart from a giving inspirations since he was working on Infinite at that time. Pauolo (talk) 20:54, May 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately the game(s) make too many serious contradictions from the game to be...


 * It was an authorized Novel about the game's setting (yes/no/in what way 'authoriized' - oversite on content? guidelined?, etc...)   It filled-in/explained/elaborated some of the plot issues following that author's take (interpretation) on what he saw in the game (assuming he played it).


 * Simplest is to allow details mentioned in the book annotated as coming from the Novel.  Assumptions based on anything should be avoided ("Just the facts mam") particularly when there are so many contradictions.
 * 75.36.136.3 01:07, May 5, 2015 (UTC)