Talk:Frank Fontaine

Defeating him with the wrench
In the article it says that you can defeat him with a wrench. I know from personal experience,that it simply cannot be done. The only way you could possibly do it is if you get him stuck in between the computers on the lower pathway by the left window. From there it seems that he is unable to reach you and you can whack away at Fontaine as much as you like.On a diferent note,has anyone noticed that if you hit Fontaine with a wrench,it doesn't make the usual sound? Sparks fly,and there's a dull "thud" sound,like you hit a couch.Leea 12:50, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

It can be done more easily than you might think, even on hard. I speak from personal experience, as I have beaten the game using only a Wrench whenever possible, on hard. For Fontaine, I used both Wrench Jockey tonics, Wrench Lurker tonics, Armored Shell 2, Frozen Field 2, SportBoost tonics, and Bloodlust. Distract him and everyone else that comes with Target Dummy, Electro Bolt him, and whack him. Victory.

BlueIsSupreme 22:12, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Occupation
Didn't it say in the game that Fontaine started out in the Irish Mob?

If you're positive, why not edit it?

Out of curiosity, how did you procure the photo of Normal Form Fontaine? Did you catch up with him in Point Prometheus?

yeah i was wondering myslef how did someone get fontains human form?

On the PC version of Bioshock you can "ghost" hack, meaning that you can enter areas or view scenes from different angles that you can't do on the XBox 360. The reason Fontaine/Atlas looks spliced at Point Prometheus is because the designers were lazy and used a splicer model for him instead. A close up of Tennenbaum using this method also reveals that a splicer model was used for her.

Wasn't it Suchong that called Tennenbaum a "diamond in the rough?". Fontaine only ever refers to her as the "Kraut."

Ken Levine says that Frank Fontaine was also partly inspired by the "Keyser Soze" character in the film, The Usual Suspects. (I'll try and find the interview link)Would this be interesting enough to be entered in the article?

Fontaine's 'Atlas' Disguise
The main article suggests that Fontaine uses ADAM to fashion his appearance into that of the handsome Atlas, which can't be right. Upon revealing himself to you following the death of Ryan, Fontaine brags about how he impersonated a Chinaman for a prolonged period, and some of the diaries imply he is able to change elements of his disguise at the drop of a hat (like his voice in the Hestia diary featuring both him and Atlas). All of this does not suggest the use of ADAM.

It isn't until much later in the game that Fontaine first uses ADAM, because he actually tells us that he's never used it before, but actually enjoys the feeling of doing so, and wants more.

How did he lift the big statue and throw it out of the way when you first see him in Point Prometheus if he never took ADAM before?

There is never a full explanation of how Fontaine changed his appearance to that of the proletariat hero. It could be a result of simple cosmetic surgery (perhaps Steinnman before he had gone mad) without the use of ADAM. Most people in Rapture were far too afraid to speak out against Fontaine, so it would of been easy for him to have it done secretively. They say that the only thing cosmetic surgery can't really change is your eyes, which makes sense seeing as how the only resemblance of Fontaine in Atlas is the eyes.The lack of Atlas and Fontaine character models makes it difficult to discern if he left the disguise behind by the time Jack sees him in Point Prometheus or his face permanently stuck as Atlas', as the recycled "waders" splicer skin looks like neither the Irish fisherman or the Bronx gangster. As for the audio diary, Fontaine was clearly able to change back to his normal voice at the drop of a hat (as seen in Fontaine's reveal).

Misanthropic?
I think Fontaine was not entirely misanthropic. What about some of his radio messages to Jack? 'You were the closest thing I ever had to a son,and that's why this hurts...'Leea 15:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The ADAM-machine
The machine that Fontaine uses in the last level greatly resembles the two/three/four that's in Point Prometheus, most surely used to create Big Daddies. Is it possible that Big Daddies look like, or at least greatly resembles to Fontaines final forms beneath the diving suit. If so, should it be mentioned in some kind of trivia? --FifthDisciple 16:16, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a really interesting idea. It is mostly speculation though, since we don't have any hard evidence, so I don't think it should be put in the main article. --Gardimuer 21:25, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Check out the pics of the rumbler BD from Bioshock 2. You can see part of its torso as well as its left arm as they are not covered by armor. --Ant423 18:05, December 28, 2009 (UTC)Ant423

Radio Messages
Any way to assemble a list of the radio messages he sends to Jack under a new section of the article? --24.192.86.139 02:56, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * A nice idea... but there are so many radio messages that it would take practically an entire page length just to list them. We could add a link to the radio messages page... ~Gardimuer  { ʈalk } 06:09, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Battle Strategy
Why is there a battle strategy written down here? Isn't there already one in Fontaine (Level)??? Seems kinda redundant to do something like that. Plus, this strategy is badly written; The grammar is poor and it uses dumb words like BAM!.--Ant423 18:02, December 28, 2009 (UTC)Ant423

Edit: Well, looks like someone cleaned up the strategy a bit. I still think it's redundant, but at least it's written better. Ant423 21:55, January 29, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Bioshock 2
I only just started the game (No spoilers please) so I don't know the full story, but are there any audio diaries by Frank Fontaine in the game? If so, should we put his updated radio picture on this page? --Ant423 01:14, February 11, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Sure, same with Andrew Ryan.

BlueIsSupreme 01:26, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oops...Looks like Fontaine's radio picture is the same in Bioshock 2. Nevermind. Ant423 03:29, February 20, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

Just before fighting Fontaine in BioShock, he makes a comment to Jack about him being the closest thing he's ever had to a son. Therefore, the little boy on the picture in his office must be Fontaine when he was younger. With this information, should we change the information in the article?

Voice Acting
According to Jordan Thomas in the forums:

''Just to clarify. In the shipping game, both Atlas and Fontaine were voiced by Karl Hanover. I can't 100 percent confirm that every Fontaine line in Bio1 was Karl, but the bulk of the shipping lines were, and he absolutely does both in Bio2.''

Should both actors be listed on both pages?

A good way to gauge what should be done is to look at the manuals of both games. If only the single actor is credited, than we should follow suit.

BlueIsSupreme 22:12, February 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to the interview with Greg Baldwin on The Fukerton Greg Baldwin did all the voice acting for Fontaine (not Atlas) in the first BioShock. I suggest we credit both voice actors for Fontaine on this page, since they are different in each game, possibly saying "Greg Baldwin (BioShock), Karl Hanover (BioShock 2)" On the Atlas page only Karl Hanover needs to be credited. ~Gardimuer    { ʈalk } 23:17, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

I thought something was up with Fontaine's voice in Bioshock 2, even though overall, I think Hanover did a pretty good job. It's not uncommon for voice actors to change between games so it's a good idea to list both. Ant423 23:32, February 25, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

My name is Karl Hanover and I voiced both Atlas and Fontaine in both Bioshock games. Val00


 * BULL SHIT! GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box 12:16, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

What?
"Either that, or the portrait is that of Fontaine, Tenenbaum and Jack Ryan, given that Jack was, in Fontaine's words, 'the closest thing I ever had to a son'."

I'm sorry, but the woman does not look like Tenembaum at all, and the man, although he resembles Fontaine, also looks quite different. Furthermore, why would Fontaine, Tenembaum and Jack pose together for a portrait as if they were a family? It doesn't make sense. Unless someone can confirm the above statement, then it should be removed from the article. Ant423 19:00, February 26, 2010 (UTC)Ant423

About the picture - some people on the forums have mentioned that they're wearing 1920's clothing, not 1950's although this is pretty much unconfirmed. Venom Wolf 23:37, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

My apologies for not noticing the debate here before. However, I think it's entirely possible that it is of Fontaine, Tenenbaum and Jack. Nothing about Fontaine's character suggests that he's someone who'd hold his family near and dear to his heart (let alone his office). Yet, he'd certainly want a testament to one of his greatest achievements, creating Jack. Fontaine and Tenenbaum had some sort of relationship, even "romantic" if the Paparazzi's words can be believed. In some twisted way, Fontaine could've considered Tenenbaum the mother of his creation. The three would not have to sit down for a portrait. Photographs of Fontaine and Tenenbaum would've been in supply and if Fontaine commissioned the portait, he'd be available to pose himself. Again, maybe it's too much of a presumption on my part and if it is, feel free to delete it from the article. I just feel that, given the character of Fontaine, it's a possibility to be considered. Rapture-Stingers-QB 20:38, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you compare the woman to Tenenbaum's audio diary and "Rapture's Best and Brightest 1952" poster they look nothing alike. Also Fontaine says he figured it would be bad to "mix business with pleasure" so I thought the Paparazzi's diary had misinterpreted Tenenbaum's visits to his house to be romantic, when she was really protesting about the Little Sisters. I just find it hard to believe that Fontaine would have evidence of his secret weapon on the office wall. Venom Wolf 17:24, April 4, 2010 (UTC)