User talk:Mainframe98/Archive 1

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Feel free to ask an administrator or a featured user, or leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Willbachbakal (talk) 09:14, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Questions?

Re: Great Job!
Thanks. It took me quite some time but I'm nearly done. I'm also checking the regular messages we already had, so it took longer than it should. :) Pauolo (talk) 11:48, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Template:Overview
It seems to me that if you made a second Template, the first one would just sit around unused on the site. If that's correct, I'd prefer it if you just updated the original, from your sandbox, it looks like you've got a firm grasp on what you're doing. That'd also save other editors from confusion.

You want to edit it to have two more rows. Purely out of curiousity, what would you put in the other two? Thanks for your initiative.

Unownshipper (talk) 21:05, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Sander Cohen's Kinetoscopes
Yeah, it can be confusing. Kinetoscopes are real-world devices (films seen by an individual through a peephole viewer). In point of fact, ALL of the films seen in BioShock Infinite, Burial at Sea - Episode 1, and Burial at Sea - Episode 2 are kientoscopes because of the format in which they are viewed.

The Need to Know Theater is simply a series of films (PSAs/propaganda shorts) made under Ryan's orders and presented via kinetoscope players. It's also a convenient coverall phrase for the Art Deco styled kientoscopes seen in Rapture. Becase of this, it's both correct and convenient to list Sander Cohen's art films on the Need to Know Theater article, but it's important to note that Cohen didn't make these films in conjunction with the Need to Know Theater series.

Sorry for the confusion though, it's mostly BAS's fault. Hope this helps.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:48, January 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Not at all, happy to help.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 08:57, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Quotes
Thanks for helping with the quotes on the different articles.

Unownshipper (talk) 08:18, January 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * What I'm about to suggest might be a lot of menial work, but I hope you'll agree with it.


 * I'm pretty sure that there isn't a policy on quotes on this site, but I think we should make it so that none of the quotes link to the speaker. Note how the Frank Fontaine article opens with a quote said by Andrew Ryan. On the Andrew Ryan page, there's a quote from Ryan. The Fontaine page links to Ryan, the Ryan page does not. On many character's page, the opening quote is said that character. Naturally, you can't hyperlink to the very page that's the subject of the link.


 * This might seem obsessive compulsive, but it's annoying me that there's inconsistency regarding the quotes' link's appearance throughout the Wiki. Some are linked, some aren't. On top of all that, the speaker's name is linked first in the quote when they ought to be linked in the body of the article where they're really being discussed. I'd like to make it our policy that we don't link the speaker with your support.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 10:06, February 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I already knew that if the speaker is the subject of the page, the link would simply be bold. My point is more the fact that the policy for hyperlinks is to connect to the subject at the first mentioning of it on the page. This means that when a character is actually being discussed in an article, they've already been linked, rather uselessly, in the quote. This doesn't mean much for short articles, but for longer, more detailed ones, it's an inconvenience.


 * I completely understand and agree with the idea of including the link to the source, but the fact is that linking to that source also will lead a person to the speaker, so it's not as though a person will be unable to identify the speaker. This is more an issue of consistency and appearance as the quote is almost always the first thing seen on an article.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 23:30, February 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry both for my delay in getting back to you and for any confusion. I understand what you mean about a link being an eye-catcher, so to clarify I was talking about just not linking the speakers of a quote anymore. As for your condition that the speaker be consistently linked further in the article, I can almost guarentee that WILL always happen. I think there are only a handful of articles on this site in which a quote comes from someone who isn't discussed on the page. That is an easy enough fix, so what are your thoughts now?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 08:20, February 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * We could start immediately, should we have some systematic method of attack?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 22:45, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Renaming Burial At Sea Items
Yeah, totally, go ahead. I didn't even notice that the "at" was capitalized. Thanks for checking in and let me know if anything inhibits you from renaming the page.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:09, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Generalize all Gear pages
I offer my full approval, this looks great. Thanks very much for your continued work on improving the site template's and aesthetics.

On an utterly unrelated note, more of a nitpick really, I was looking at the template example and it lists Extra! Extra! in the "Blue Ribbon Restaurant." The hyperlink accepts that link, but the business' proper title is actually The Blue Ribbon.

Unownshipper (talk) 08:17, January 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Not at all. And not to worry about the restaurant name, I've done it too. The more times we correct the name from "Blue Ribbon Restaurant" to "The Blue Ribbon" the sooner the incorrect hyperlink will disappear. That used be what would happen with DeWitt. So many people just put in "Booker" instead of Booker DeWitt that the hyperlink just accepted the forname as acceptable.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 08:32, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Removing Pages marked for deletion
No problem at all, I found them annoying as well. There's just SO MANY still to go!

Unownshipper (talk) 07:25, January 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nah, I'm just a guilty. At least the useless pages and images are being marked instead of being left around.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 07:38, January 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * How on earth did that happen? I'll take care of that.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 07:51, January 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * So it's probably pretty evident, but if it's not I'm new to being an Admin. Do you know why the Talk pages are getting left behind? This has happened twice now, at least.


 * I'm trying to fix the pages that still have links to the deleted articles and redirects, but there are so many of them. Any advice or heads up you can give me is appreciated.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 04:58, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Slate
It was an accident. I apologize. I was removing the "Slate" redirect and all the other misleading redirects, unused categories, and other files marked for deletion, and it must have accidentally been wiped in the process. I can undo in a snap, I just can't do it right now. It'll be restored by the end of tomorrow.

Unownshipper (talk) 08:26, January 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * You'll find the Cornelius Slate article has been restored as promised. All the pages that link to that page should be operational once again.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 23:57, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Undeleted Talkpages, Unused Redirects & Candidates for deletion
You should find that all those pages are gone now and the pages linking to them have been taken care of. No problem, I appreciate your attentiveness to the site's wellbeing.

While I've got you, I was wondering if the disambiguation for "Therapy" was really necessary?

We normally use those disambiguation pages for articles with exactly the same name as opposed to just similar ones. Think Fontaine Futuristics (Level) and Fontaine Futuristics (Business); Atlantic Express (Level) and Atlantic Express (Business); Sacrifices (Audio Diary) and Sacrifices (Voxophone); or Fontaine's Department Store and Fontaine's Department Store (Business).

I don't think that anyone's going to mix up the "Therapy" Wing with the multiple "Therapy with Graces." Mostly because I can only see those diaries being mentioned once (maybe twice) while I can see the area in Inner Persephone being referred to more often once that article and pages connected to it are properly expanded. Referring to the area simply as Therapy will make editing easier. Thoughts?

Unownshipper (talk) 01:19, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Updating my Test page
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Unfortunately, I'm not as active in maintaining this wiki as I used to be, so I'm not around to fix things like that on an ongoing basis.

Please feel free to make any necessary updates to the link lists on that test page. Since you are more active here, you are more knowledgeable about what links we need. ~Gardimuer   { ʈalk } 09:20, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism on Comstock page:
Just a follow up, the nameless user was blocked the other day. I've had enough of these antics.

Unownshipper (talk) 05:53, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Removal Request
The page has been taken care of. Thanks for the alert and for that massive overhaul of the audio diaries sections you took care of.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:52, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion
Sorry on how it comes off, Mainframe. I'm clearing a vandal that's been making immature, biased, and rhetorical remarks, since Filetalk comes off invisible enough for nobody to see. You see, unlike the majority of talk pages that do show up, this was an outdated feature since the Wiki was created, which its code still treats any files the same way as articles (hence why it has a talk page feature), and unlike regular talkpages, filetalkpages will not show at all in the recent edits page, anyways, and the only way to see it is actually look up the image's page. As I said, the majority of its usage was by at least one user with similar IPs that makes nothing but immature and biased comments, so its more of a reason to find this feature useless to this and any Wiki. Sorry it seems like I'm vandalizing, but compared to the talk pages, did you or any admin or editor aside from one ever used filetalk at all? Were you even surprised that until now, there was such a thing as filetalk? And since the wikia's beginning, are you going to miss filetalk, even though it was used by at least ONE person & that person's unsigned IP(s) within the last 3 years? Plus, I noticed Unownshipper was doing the same thing yesterday with removing some other filetalk pages, so it would be easier to just clear what's left before having those locked as just images and sound files, and keeping comments to actual article talk pages, since those are more active and are visible.--165.196.83.196 22:13, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Need some help with a template
Hi, if you have some time would you mind taking a look at Template:Level Infobox? It's a template I made yesterday to compile useful informations from each levels and display it on a single info box. I'd like to hide the "New discoveries", "Collectibles" and "Enemies encountered" titles when there is no parameters specified under them, but even though I tried to do make it work on my sandbox it always ended up messy and not working. Since you know your way around templates more than the other regular editors, I'd like to know if you can fix that. Pauolo (talk) 14:34, February 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * You can feel honored if you don't have brain damage at the end of it. :D Well honestly, making templates on wikis is a pain since they can be written in several different codes, and ome migth not work on more recent versions of wiki. So far I've been studying how other functional templates worked, hence why I was able to make a few on my own, but this one is a bit complicated. I used Template:Charinfobox as model, if that can help you. The code is blocked from edition, but you can still access the source. Pauolo (talk) 15:21, February 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * You sure are better at this than me, thx a lot. :) Pauolo (talk) 15:56, February 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * In fact, I used that method at first, but I think I ended up screwing a line or two and then only the last two headers would be hidden, even with parameters. Pauolo (talk) 16:00, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism
Just to let you know, I saw what that user did on your sandbox and he has been permanently banned. That kind of sophomoric behavior has no place here, and I'm sorry if you were at all inconvenienced.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:35, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re: return of a vandal and vandalism
The vandal has been banned and his edits will be undone/deleted from the site.

Unownshipper (talk) 21:55, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Re: More vandalism
Seems like all we talk about lately is vandalism. I blocked the user who moved the page. I've locked the Booker DeWitt article so that new and unregistered users cannot move it. That, at the very least, should inhibit the page from being moved again to "Moutin Dewitt" (seriously, does this troll not know how to spell "Mountain?").

You talked about Creation Protection. I see its uses and I'd like to implement it, but I don't see any information about how to activate it under the Admin Dashboard.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:58, March 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for linking me to the page. I've gone and added "Moutin Dewitt" and a few other iterations of the name to the list. Hopefully the troll will get a life and no longer darken our doorstep with his asinine behavior.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 02:53, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Fanfiction
Thanks for alerting me both to this and my Character Tracker. With my work it's become increasinly difficult for me to find a spare moment lately to keep up with the site, so I appreciate your diligence. I've deleted the fanfiction but left the image for now. If the user wants to put it on their page or create a blog, that's fine. If nothing is done with it, then it'll be deleted.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:09, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

hi
Hi how are you?WOT3000 (talk) 14:25, March 18, 2015 (UTC)WOT3000

Recent Edits
I greatly appreciate all the recent work you've been doing around the site (adding categories, attaching the Fair Use license to images, reorganizing content, etc.), it helps out a lot. I would however like to call attention to one batch of edits that concern me.

You've added the Columbia Citizen link to many of the people from BioShock Infinite. This seems logical and helpful, but I'm afraid that the "Coulmbia Citizen" is a combat type descriptor like Big Daddy, Houdini Splicer, or Rapture Citizen. With each of these, it's not the model that's important (Rosie, Rumbler, Bouncer, etc.) but the method of how they attack the player; in this case, behaving non-threateningly until provoked to attack the player with common firearms.

Adding the label to all of the "citizens" of Columbia confuses the meaning of the actual enemy which is "normal people who might pull a gun on Booker DeWitt but are not specifically affiliated with the Police (Columbia), Vox Populi, or Founders." Technically, everyone from the Handyman (Enemy) to the Crows to the Boys of Silence is a "Columbia citizen" with a lowercase "c," so this label is only useful if it's describing a particular class of fighters. As the page itself notes in the "Behind the Scenes" section, only in four locations can Citizens (with a capital "c") be provoked into combat. Because of this, it's not right to list someone like Byron Cotswold as a "Columbia Citizen" not only since you never meet him but also because he's not an enemy Booker fights.

I wanted to inform you of this before those edits are undone. Don't feel bad about it, plenty of others have made the same mistake. I wish this combat type had been given a name less general than this. Hope this is useful.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:42, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I should have known someone else had added those. I appreciate you tending to that. I'll proceed with the other issues. No worries about the number of messages, I understand.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 15:55, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * I added the code to the page. Did it work properly?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 16:18, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow. It really looks great. I'm impressed with how it turned out. I'd like to make it clear that I'd really prefer if these headers were used sparingly and only on ridiculously long/complicated pages like the Factory, Dr. Suchong's Free Clinic, or Housewares articles which contain potential spoilers across games. On several pages, a little length is a good thing as they'd otherwise be too short. I'd hate for each page to have a different header for each game when the current breakdown is sufficient.


 * Regardless, I'd again like to say nice job and hope this will be implemented on the above mentioned pages.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 17:56, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Sandbox 2
Seems good that way now. Hopefully we can make links to the second table/part of the page when needed. Still if you can modify the " " tag, can you perhaps get rid of the white frame all around the page? Also yes, that can help with those troublesome level pages. One thing to add though, it could be useful to separate long sections such as the walkthrough on the level pages, or Splicer lines from the description of their models (notably on the Early Splicers page). It could also be used on weapon and Plasmid/Vigor pages when they appear in multiple games. Pauolo (talk) 18:59, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Useless Redirects
I've taken care of the useless redirects. I did change the Title Protection, here's what the coding looks like:

Protected titles


 * "Forum:Help desk/"
 * "Forum talk:Help desk/"
 * "Moutin Dewitt"
 * "Moutin Dewitt Official"
 * "Moutin Dewitt OFFICIAL"

You can request Adminship if you want, but I think you application would be more successful if you've been an member on the site longer.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:09, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

BioShock 2 Maps
Excuse me, Mainframe98, but how do you get the icons onto those maps in BioShock 2? They seem to be missing the locations of the Audio Diaries, Plasmids, and Gene Tonics. Thank you. ZanyDragon (talk) 23:05, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Newspaper Clippings
I spaced out the image on the May J. Carmody so that it could be larger but wouldn't bump into the Transcript. I only tested it on that article so that it could easily be undone. If you think it looks good though, we can implement this on other pages. What do you think?

Also, coding you implemented for the transcripts looks like something that someone could easily screw up either intetnionally or acceidntally. I can't see those pages being edited much in the future so I was considering putting a protection lock on them. Do you think this is something that needs to be done?

Unownshipper (talk) 01:34, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

X-rays
Mainframe98, do you think you can get images of Mark Meltzer's x-rays from Day One of Phase Two? ZanyDragon (talk) 17:40, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Games Template
SO sorry about the delay. I think that the image is fine for an icon. I think it would be better if "BioShock Infinite" were removed and "Mind in Revolt" were placed inside the emblem instead. That'd cause it to look more similar to other icon images. I might try and play around with this in photoshop, but until then, by all means upload you image. I think Pauolo's suggestion of MiR would be preferable for an abbreviation.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:34, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re:
Yeah ok.  Registered contributor﻿  ﻿™   04:19, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Featured Article on the main page
My sincere apologies for taking so long to reply! As much as I like seeing that large, provocative mural on the front of the page, you are indeed right that it's time for a change. Your template sounds like an excellent idea, thanks as usual for your initiative. I recommend a weekly change so that we might see more than 12 articles a year. What will be seen on the page, the first 9 lines of the Featured Article or the first two paragraphs? Let me know whatever help you might need from me, just spell it out in detail.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:18, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * The template looks great, glad it's proceeding well. A question though, I had thought that the Featured Article would be chosen at random similar to how "Random Page" button takes you to an arbitrary page automatically. Is that going to be a hassle to pick special 52 articles? If it is, we could certianly reduce the time frame to once every month (12 articles) or every two weeks (26 articles). If this is something you don't mind, then I'll leave you in charge of the selection of the Featured Aticle's weekly rotation.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 21:42, April 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, so long as your fine with it. Again, it's looking good.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 21:58, April 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, please add it. Not only does it look great, I think several users are excited and have added to the list. Before uploading it though, I'd like you to go over it and make sure everything looks the way you'd like it to (some contibutors may have added too much or too little detail in the excerpts from each article). I think BioShock was featured twice the last time I looked at the list.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 20:48, April 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nice to see it in place. Congrats!.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 22:56, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re: unused Golden Key
If you don't mind, yes I'd like you to upload it. I should have the file somewhere on my hard-drive but I'm not keen on going through 6 years of stored files. /: Pauolo (talk) 14:01, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll be checking if that's not the Rapture key taken from Ryan himself. I'm currently replaying the game and I realize I never went as far as Fort Frolic when playing in English. Pauolo (talk) 14:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, I didn't think you meant the extracted icons. What I was talking about are the neat versions of Bio1's icons with a circle frame around them you can see on the wiki. Those were uploaded somewhere once on Cult of Rapture or 2K Games' forums but I can't find them again on the net. Still if you have the full panel of the source file without the cut-outs, I'd like to compare if there are any extra icons I've never seen so far. Pauolo (talk) 14:13, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I can still use yours to get better quality versions of the research icons, including the unused Slow-Pro one which I extracted from the complete edition artbook (and didn't do an excellent job at it). Pauolo (talk) 14:35, April 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I unearthed the icons, there were in fact part of a PS3 theme fan kit still downloadable at Cult of Rapture here: https://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/downloads-bioshock. I also noticed that those icons were not neat versions but rescaled ones with the frame added to it. The original version like the one you just uploaded don't have that frame. Pauolo (talk) 15:54, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Edit to Plasmid
Glad that it can help. I figured we don't have much info on Plasmid development on the wiki other than on the ADAM page, Tenenbaum and Suchong's. There's not much in the games either too. Pauolo (talk) 15:22, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Re: User page removal
Sorry for the delay, the old sandbox has been deleted.

Unownshipper (talk) 21:27, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Bot Account
I'd be happy to help, but I don't understand. Aren't bot accounts something to be avoided/deleted? Ususally we get them on this site in the form of a gibberish blog post or a similar one advertising jackets. But you'd like me to enable one? How would I go about that? It looks like it's already active on its own.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry I've been absent, did the Bot account get created alright?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 03:09, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Months?
Great work on the featured articles! But shouldn't it say "Weeks" since it changes weekly? Right now it reads: Last & Next months Featured Article. --Shacob (talk) 22:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, it just annoyed me to see the page still underdeveloped when it could be use as reference for the Vigor page. Btw if you want to expand other pages, I've gathered all the location names displayed in-game for each game and DLC, except the Bio2 multiplayer (might add it later). Anyway, it's here if you need it for reference, and I think it's pretty much complete for Infinite and the BaS episodes: User blog:Pauolo/Areas Within Locations/Levels
 * Pauolo (talk) 08:30, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Picture on one of your Blogs
Absolutely, and I'll deleted the superseded image as well. Thanks for informing me.

Unownshipper (talk) 00:42, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Recent Pictures
Thanks so much for your recent edits and pictures. I'm particularly interested in your images from Minerva's Den are you able to take screenshots from the game? If you are, that's excellent as we could really use more pictures from that DLC.

Unownshipper (talk) 02:00, May 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * That's absolutely wonderful. How are you able to? As a fellow screenshot photographer, may I offer some contructive advice?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 23:50, May 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, I use the Console Commands as well when taking pics of BioShock and BioShock 2. What console are you using, mac or pc? When taking pictures, I'd recommend that you turn the brightness down to something normal or maybe a little dark. Later, after you've taken the pic, you can always brighten the image, but it's usually difficult to darken without losing clarity. Of course, if you're playing and it's too dark you might miss something interesting, so play around with this until you find what works best for you. See if that works out.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 15:28, May 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not that it's too high, just that some of your pics looked a little washed out. Then again, those were mostly the underwater ones, your shot from Operations of the "mural" looks perfectly lit. The ToggleHUD, Walk, and Ghost commands certainly help a lot, I also recommend PlayersOnly. It doesn't completely freeze enemies like it does in BioShock, but it's still great for getting them to stand still.


 * I would love any well-lit images you can get of Heady and Buttons, but you probably already have a list of topics to get images of. Good luck with that!


 * Unownshipper (talk) 18:01, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Minerva's Den
Oh yes indeed, I forgot to remove it. I was going first with making a section for the official description quote, but then moved it to "Overview" instead. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. :) Pauolo (talk) 14:15, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Kinetoscopes
For the article titles, I'll try to explain my reasoning. First off, if the poster and the film have differences in spelling, I went with the film's titles which was used for The Big Daddy.

I tried to follow the Wikipedia Manual of Style on Article Titles.

All of the posters and the films are in uppercase and have quotations marks. Wikipedia recommends that the capitalization be in standard English. However since the title is a proper name, all articles are kept (the, a, an) and the title is written in title case.

Quotation marks are usually not allowed in article titles. However, upon removing quotation marks from the film title, the single quotation marks become double quotation marks which are part of the film title and have to be kept.

ex. "Crime Comes to 'Shanty-Town'" -> Crime Comes to "Shanty-Town"

I'm a little hung up about punctuation and ellipses (...) It says that "The final character should not be a punctuation mark unless it is part of a name (Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!) or an abbreviation (Inverness City F.C.), or a closing round bracket or quotation mark is required (John Palmer (schooner))."

Several times the punctuation is inconsistent with the poster and the title in the film. I have tried to strive for a consistent appearance by removing the final ellipses and the punctuation mark. However, I have retained the question mark for "Who Needs the Power Company?" and where there are two statements in the title and removing the final punctuation mark would look odd ex. "A City in the Sky? Impossible!" UpgradeTech (talk) 18:58, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Template:Information
That's really appreciated, thank you!

--Shacob (talk) 14:54, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Removal request
It is done.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:27, June 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow, sorry about that. I just changed it.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 01:05, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Vending machines table
Hey Mainframe, since you seem quite familiar with coding on the wiki, I was wondering if you could think of a table for each vending machines of BioShock Infinite and its DLC, have them display the price of items by categories (supplies, ammunition, types of weapon and Vigor for the upgrades) and the first evels where they are made available. It would be a bit different than the List of Gatherer's Garden Prices pages though. Pauolo (talk) 13:01, June 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well I'm proposing Infinite because the prices don't change from one level to another and the new items just pill up in the machines inventory while progressing through the game. I also have the official guide to know when the upgrade machines (both for weapons and Vigors) have new stock, which upgrades and their prices. The difficult part will be to track down when the Dollar Bill start having new ammo to sell. Pauolo (talk) 13:25, June 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking good so far. I will replace "Effect" by "Description" so it can be general among all sold items (lockpicks for example). I would also recommend to make the "First Available" column wider because of long level titles such as Comstock Center Rooftops. Pauolo (talk) 14:41, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

So I added the table to the Veni! Vidi! Vigor! page as a test and modified a bit the headers, however I'd like to know if you can make the Vigor name header look better, like aligning it to the left and avoiding text placing itself under the pics. If so, please make the modifications on your sandbox page, I'll be completing the vending machine's page myself. Pauolo (talk) 16:30, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Project proposal: Transitioning to more mobile-friendly infoboxes
Hey there, hope all is well. I received a post on my talk page about transitioning the site to more mobile-friendly infoboxes and I was hoping you and some of the other devoted contributors would take a look at it and share your thoughts.

Unownshipper (talk) 23:10, August 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm glad we could run this by you first. I'm also VERY happy that the change will not effect the look of our current templates. Just explain to me what to do (in as plain English as possible) and I'll execute the changes.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 14:52, October 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * I've added the code, does it look like it worked out?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 15:26, October 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok... well just let me know if it was something I did wrong.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 15:39, October 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yikes, you sure could! No need to wear yourself out.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 16:54, October 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * I undid the code change.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 20:54, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Unused Radio Messages
It can grow both tiring and repetitive to say "thanks for all the tireless work you do" each time you, User:Shacob, or one of the other devoted editors contributes something excellent or fixes a lingering problem on this site. If only there was a "like" button one could click each time that happens, it'd certainly make things easier. Regardless your work is very much appreciated.

More to the point... are these files something you can add to the already existing Unused Radio Message pages like Unused Radio Messages: Dionysus Park? Or are you asking if you can make a new article for them? I just want to make clear what you're asking. If you just want to upload the files, then by all means, YES, please do. We'd ALL love to hear the audio.

Unownshipper (talk) 18:38, August 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * That'd be excellent. Please proceed.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 19:57, August 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, I was listening to the files on the Unused Radio Messages: Dionysus Park page and I noticed that two of them were out of place.


 * The file "VO GAL R Stan Get3LS 11.wav.ogg" was under "Get the Little Sisters!" and the file "VO GAL R Stan Get3LS 12.wav.ogg" was listed under "Two More Little Sisters." It was a minor mistake and I changed it, but since the unused radio messages are such an important and hard to access subject, I wanted to be sure it was brought to your attention.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 17:10, September 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * I've gone though Minerva's Den and most of BioShock 2, and so far that's been the only time they were off. I suspected that it might be a numbering problem, or something to do with how the game files were written. After all, these were the unused files so it's not hard to imagine that a designer made a minor mistake. I'll notify you if I notice any others off, but it's all been good so far.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 17:18, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Unused audio diaries
Since you were extracting the audio files of those unused radio messages, would you mind doing the same for the audio diaries? I remember from the 2K Games forums that some still had their audio files, such as Goddamn Lights. I left the name reference on each of their page just like I did for the unused radio messages, in case that can help looking for them. Pauolo (talk) 14:51, August 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I got you the forum thread with the unused diary audio files in question, if that can help too. http://forums.2k.com/showthread.php?60481-The-Lost-Audio-Diaries-of-Bioshock-2-Part-I Pauolo (talk) 15:03, August 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not surprised. My discovery of the complete text files in French was some sort of Holy Graal compared to what was left unused in the audio. Btw I think you can probably find Oh, the Golden Light! as well. I'm pretty sure I heard it once a long time ago though I don't remember when and who uploaded the file. Pauolo (talk) 16:20, August 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Glad you found it and another one. Looking at that forum thread, I'm not sure those references I got from the text files are the same as the audio's names. Pauolo (talk) 13:47, August 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * Also I found another thread about unused audio present in the files: http://forums.2k.com/showthread.php?63795-The-Lost-Audio-Diaries-of-Bioshock-2-Part-2-*Spoilers* Pauolo (talk) 13:52, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but this time it's about the unused diary portraits of Bio 2. See, some of them were re-used in Minerva's Den, but websites like game-archivist.com and raptureachives.org updated their pages long ago to move them under the DLC's section. It would be interesting to note those which made it to Minerva's Den, but the problem is I can't remember which ones exactly. Of course, there's Audrey Hesselgren's, Christopher di Remo and perhaps Ernestine Franklin. I'm not sure if Johan Mordhagen and Felix Birnbaum were among them, but I can definitely rule out all the rest. Pauolo (talk) 17:26, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * That would be the HUD texture files, I remember they were all grouped together with elements like research reward icons or audio diary and radio frames. I would have checked myself but I only have the version from Minerva's Den. Pauolo (talk) 17:52, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I still have my physical copy too. But before you start installing the old disc version (I'm not confident it would work with GfWL gone) maybe you can just uninstall Minerva's Den separately, since it's still a DLC on Steam. Pauolo (talk) 18:13, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Peach's Cronies
I am in agreement that they use splicer skins, but then again, so does every other character--including non-splicers such as Tenenbaum and Fontaine. For all we know the devs could be recycling splicer skins rather than waste more development time on a very minor part of the game, creating unique skins for enemies that would not be seen again after their debut.

I firmly believe that they're NOT splicers, considering how Peach is relatively sane and that they aren't in league with Ryan (splicers are all in league with Ryan due to the pheromones released in the air). Unless there's conclusive evidence proving that they are in fact splicers rather than just regular people with splicer skins, I think removing my edit should at least be discussed first. Brainwasher5 (talk) 12:55, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Needing to revise the BSI Removed Content page
Hey. As we all know, BSI has a lot of content, and the BSI removed content page is well detailed. However, I personally feel the page is very unorganized and subjective, since most of the content seemed amaglamed with the finished game's story. There's even pages like Merged that may need to be merged (no pun intended) with either the Removed content page or with their predecessor character pages-like the Handyman for Claw Daddy-, or with the case of the Merged, may need to revise its info to only relate to the main game( since the enemy only existed as a drafted concept during the Art Nouveau stages of the game concepts). try to fix what I can, but it may be a lot more work on my end, which is why I'll try asking you and some other trusted contributers on their help. I understand you may be busy, but you follow this link to Gavin Goulden's Powerpoint download, you can see Goulden's presentation on why most of the content was revised, most of which is detailed there(though the stegnogropher may have some grammer issues), but does explain well enough.

http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132843

I hope this helps with understanding the changes of the removed content, and I will do what I can. I hope you have a good one.Evans0305 (talk) 01:53, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Greater Input
As I work to complete my Master's thesis, I'm finding little time for the site. I fully intend to be back in the saddle once the semester is over, but I'm concerned for the Wiki's upkeep and attention. A while back, I believe you inquired about Adminship. Is this something you're still interested in? I was hesitant when you first asked, but since then you've been an active member of the community, you've shown dedication to this site, and anyone can see your programming abilities far exceed my own.

If Adminship is something you're still interested in, I think you might orchestrate a successful request for user rights. Greater access to Admin rights should enable you to make changes more easily, and we could help each other maintain the site. My only concern is if Willbachbakal approves it, as I still consider him senior over me. Again, this is only if this is something you're interested in.

Unownshipper (talk) 05:01, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Bot minor fix mistakes
Yeah, I was certain it wasn't intentional, just wanted to alert you.

Unownshipper (talk) 17:11, September 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * I hope you will turn it back on someday. Your bot has done a wondrous job taking care of all the countless and tedious little fixes (like adding the "There's" back into the "There's Something in the Sea" category) around the site. Taking care of that grunt work allows us all to handle more thought-provoking or creative issues while the standards of the Wiki are maintained. As long as we keep an eye on the changes it makes, we should all be fine.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 17:30, September 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Think nothing of it.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 17:45, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re: BasE2 on Little Sister
Well, that is interesting. I guess the Little Sisters really are the common thread that unites all of the madness that is the BioShock series. Thanks for taking care of that.

Unownshipper (talk) 19:20, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Audio diary transcripts
No you're right. Thank you for clearing this out.

--Shacob (talk) 20:53, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Verbatim tags
Sorry it took a little while to respond, but it seems the "Verbatim tags" issue sorted itself out. Please feel free to request the change. Also, I instituted the coding change you requested, thank you for reminding me. Let me know if it works.

Unownshipper (talk) 07:33, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Modifying layout tabber
What I was talking about is the white frame surrounding text and images displayed with tabber. It looks a bit weird on long pages such as Housewares, Factory or Machine Gun (Rapture). Perhaps you can remove it by changing its color option to none. Pauolo (talk) 13:44, October 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks for figuring out how to remove it. :) Pauolo (talk) 19:17, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Portable Infobox CSS, Section 3
I instituted the code changes. Please let me know if any mistakes were made that need to be corrected.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:48, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

RE : Marking files for Deletion
I'm very sorry about recent inconvenienece I caused. I misunderstood that deletion candiate files must be left blank. Next time, I will be more careful about that issues. P.S. Thank you for categorizing every image files I upload. Pawn of Atlas (talk) 14:49, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Emporia image
Just letting you know that the image you uploaded is very similar to another image already on the same Emporia page.

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gww4.png

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/File:KUrW4hu.png

JLBiggs tends to repeat images every so often.

Also could you use more descriptive file names and include a permalink to the actual tumblr post instead of the landing page? It helps when trying to look for images.

UpgradeTech (talk) 22:21, November 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * The link you provided only directs to the home page. It is more useful to link to the actual post itself. Despite the great photography, the pictures are unorganized and hard to sort with the tags being so broad and vague.


 * http://digitalfrontiers.tumblr.com/post/132901846872


 * UpgradeTech (talk) 17:46, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Removed audio file Burial at Sea - Episode 2
Here's the source : Bioshock Infinite\DLC\DLCC\Audio\Packed\Windows\Packs\English(US)\CombinedStreaming_DLCC_LOC.pck.

P.S. I also upload removed audio diary of Moses Lydecker, but I don't know its name and transcript. Would you kindly complete the transcript of it? (http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/File:Vo_audiolog_74816_1.ogg)

Pawn of Atlas (talk) 10:14, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Something Happened to the Infobox Template
I was on the Ryan Amusements (Level) page when I noticed there's something different about the level template. All of the categories and information are alligned to the left. It looks really awkward. It's the same on other page templates like Brigid Tenenbaum's character infobox, the Pistol (Rapture)'s ammo information, etc.

I'm not sure how this happened, but do you know of anyway to fix it?

Unownshipper (talk) 01:53, December 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * You know, I don't know what it was, but it appears to be fixed. I noticed the problem on a workplace desktop mac, but when I looked on my home laptop, it was all better. Oh well.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 05:58, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, you fixed my userpage
I was glancing my old userpage, and noticed my anti-vandalism section said someone else had edited. I checked, saw you fixed my page. Thanks. :) In case you didn't notice, my userpage uses some special wikicode to identify if someone other than me was the last editor. Of course, the section could be removed, but I just liked the code. ~ Ṃᶒɠą§ɔ î é ɳ č ę { tal k }  18:58, December 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you. When I have the free time, I'll probably have to run through my userpage and my old code and update it. I just updated my Gender template from  to , but I have a lot more to update from there. Anyway, be well. :) If you have any questions, I have Pauolo and Will on messengers. I check there more often than here nowadays. ~ Ṃ<font color="#009900">ᶒ<font color="#00aa00">ɠ<font color="#00bb00">ą<font color="#00cc00">§<font color="#00dd00">ɔ î é ɳ č ę  <font color="#ff0000">{ <font color="#ff4400">t<font color="#ff8800">al k }  19:22, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Template Types
Sorry for the delay, I've been a little busy with the holidays fast approaching. I changed the template type, thanks for explaining it step-by-step for me, so you should see the changes take effect. I got a notice that said it may take a while because of the size of the action, but let me know if it doesn't work or if something else needs to be taken care of.

Unownshipper (talk) 17:58, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Think nothing of it.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 18:32, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Did I ever do those changes you asked to the "Category:Copyright tags," "Category:Userbox Templates," "Category:Citation" templates? I ask because I don't recall. Also, it looks like "Template:Mbox" is already set to "Notice."


 * Unownshipper (talk) 18:49, December 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hopefully that should do it.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 19:07, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Embedding Scripted Events on relevant pages
I saw the changes you made on the Winston Hoffner page. While your coding is well done, as per usual, I have some concerns regarding the necessity of a Scripted Events section on an article page. Please see the Scripted Events (Burial at Sea) Talk Page.

Unownshipper (talk) 07:13, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Getting back to the Scripted Events discussion, I've seen how you've implemented your template on various pages. If I understand how it works correctly, it takes the specified section from whichever Scripted Events page is chosen and mirrors that section onto the relevant page. Any change made to the event on the SE page is then automatically made to the article with the template. I must say bravo as it's well done and I commend you once again for your skill as a code writer.Then again, your talent was never in question.


 * What worries me is the necessity of a "Scripted Events" section on individual articles. As you know, what's traditionally been done has been to describe the specific event and include a link to it in a hyperlink. For example, this memorable scene from The Pink Pearl:


 * Heading down the closer of two halls, Delta can just make out a Splicer dragging another one away in a brutal act of cruelty &mdash; the action is hard to see through the boarded up room but the screams for help are impossible to miss.


 * Summing up the event in the "History" section or the "[Insert Game Name Here]" section of the article allows the author to spell out the details of what's happening with a little more panache for the reader. It also allows for more narrative to be passed on to the reader than is always possible in the Scripted Events pages, which (out of necessity) need to be kept succinct. In the above example, a rape is implied without being outright stated.


 * More to the point, the inclusion of the template necessitates a new section to house it. While that's not a problem on articles like 907 Market Street or Little Wonders Educational Facility, which are small pages and only have one or two scripted events, major articles like The Pink Pearl or Little Eden Plaza will be made longer.


 * Also, there's the point of repetition. I like having the scripted events listed out step-by-step along with the other plot points in the main body of the article. It makes for more detailed storytelling, but the inclusion of the template causes an unnecessary repetition, both of the details and, in some cases, of the pictures later on in the article.


 * Lastly, I can totally picture a newcomer to the site who doesn't understand the reasoning for the "Scripted Events" section listing things that don't belong in that heading alongside your template. "Scripted Events" is an admittedly open-ended name, but I've never been able to come up with something more appropriate. Unfortunately, it's caused people to list stuff such as Big Daddy fights, enemy spawnings, Splicer fights, boss battles, etc. where they don't belong. The Pink Pearl article, in particular, would become very long.


 * Those are my concerns over the necessity of the template. I'm sorry it's so long, but I didn't want to be misunderstood. I hope none of this is taken personally.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 20:19, December 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * I didn't look at this in such a wide perspective and I now understand your concern. I'm waiting for Mainframe's opinion on this, but on my behalf and the points Unownshipper took up, this might be worth to reconsider. I'm now starting to question the Office Conflict Splicers section I added some time ago for Minerva's Den: is it just another Splicer fight or worth mentioning?


 * --Shacob (talk) 18:51, December 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry for taking so long to return to this topic, time got away from me. I greatly appreciate you considering my points, I enjoy our civil discourse (it's a rare thing on the Internet). I unfortunately don't have a good solution either. The only resolution I can think of is to just not use the Scripted Event Template at all, and that sucks. I really hope you won't take that as an insult, and I certainly hope you won't take it as a command (I don't want to tell you what to do, that's not my role here). That's the way I would approach this issue. Could we possibly use that template for something else? It's really well-designed.


 * I can understand that you meant the template for small pages like Maison Vosges or other articles concerning BioShock Infinite or the Burial at Sea (DLC), but the anal-retentive/obsessive part of me is going to be bothered by the fact that it'd be inconsistent to have it on some pages and not others. Again it comes down to the fact that an editor could just as easily describe the scripted event in the body of the article.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 18:08, January 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * It is a pity, but your magnanimity in this situation is greatly appreciated. There's absolutely no rush to take down the template, it's not something you need to do yourself and it can be removed when someone would normally edit the page. I think adding more references in the body is a good idea, and one we can all help with. Thanks again.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 18:22, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Categories for Templates Request
Hi, I have a request for adding categories to the Template:Under Construction and Template:Information to better keep track on pages that are under construction and images with informative-descriptions. Similar to how the Template:Pics work. I'm asking you because you seem to have a steady grip on coding.

--Shacob (talk) 06:29, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Great work, as always!

Shacob (talk) 15:32, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Location Nav template
Thanks for the tip. I think it should be working. UpgradeTech (talk) 04:25, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Theme Designer
So sorry for the delay. Hopefully, this is helpful.

Unownshipper (talk) 05:33, January 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that didn't work out. Let me know if there's anything I can do.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 17:50, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Missing Icons for Plasmids from BioShock 2
The icons you've made are quite convincing, and your poll options are positively hilarious. Still, I have some concerns about just making the icons ourselves. It sort of straddles the line on our policy regarding fan art.

Are we sure there are no icons for these Plasmids in the game files? Yours are well-done, but I'd feel better if we had actual icons from the game.

Unownshipper (talk) 05:53, January 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * I see, thank you for clarifying that. Under the circumstances, it seems imprudent to throw the baby out with the bathwater, as it were. To say "no" to your icons would necessitate throwing out all the other Plasmid icons as well on principle. I feel that executive action is called for in this situation. We can bend the rules for these icons since there not really "fan art," everyone has responded positively to them, and their inclusion would help add to the site's consistency.


 * I say you upload them, we'd be fortunate to benefit from your work.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 17:44, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Trivia or not trivia
My apologies, that's the second time I wrote trivia instead of behind the scenes. I must have spent too much time on other wikis to forget that. /: Pauolo (talk) 12:33, January 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :)
 * Right now I'm slowly going back on Something in the Sea, but I don't know until when. I've made myself a personal objective to not replay BioShock 2 until I went through the ARG once again. Call it nostalgia, but I really enjoyed it five years ago when it was active. That was also probably the main reason why I joined the wiki back then.


 * Btw, something not really worthy of being Behind the Scenes stuff, there's a series of puzzle games on mobile phone called The Room which is centered around puzzle boxes. They are not as complicated as Lutwidge's, but I got the same feel from them. :D Pauolo (talk) 12:50, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

RE : Replacing images
Sure! I will do my best. By the way, thank you for replacing Burial at Sea loot icon. I didn't know how to make transparent background. Can you replacing my in-game item image, too? In-game item image is a little bit nasty, and extracted texture rendering looks better.

Pawn of Atlas (talk) 03:10, January 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * Nice work! Here's the list: - (1) Infinite :  Locksmith Bag, Corn, Orange, Silver Bar, Keys, Chests, Cash Bag, Wine, Shield, Silver Eagle, Brandy, Cotton Candy, Bourbon, Can of Beans , Watermelon, Telescope, Infusion


 * - (2) BaS : Beer, Ration, Gin, Sardines, Lutece Particle, Hair Sample, Dollar, Coffee, Key of Clock, Popcorn, Gold Bar, Gear


 * - (3) Both : Spinach, White Oats


 * Pawn of Atlas (talk) 01:09, January 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * If you are using umodel and the UEViewer to take pictures, could you press the down arrow key as far as it will go?
 * There is some sort of keyboard shortcut to adjust the FOV. It could also be Shift + up/down. The default perspective makes the objects look weirdly distorted. The changed FOV will help small objects have a more normal perspective instead of exaggerated 3-point perspective.UpgradeTech (talk) 04:44, January 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * By the way, could you let me know if you find the red "W" from the defaced Hall of Heroes sign? I managed to get the clean version of the sign in the Sign_HoH folder. The folder only contains some parts of the defaced sign and I haven't been able to locate the "W" nor the tangle of wires holding the sign together to properly recreate the defaced "Hall of Whores" version. UpgradeTech (talk) 03:33, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Using Blender to create Models from the game
I have no problem with the images being created via Blender or UModel. What matters is that you're extracting the files from the game and making them visible for the viewing public. What you're doing isn't fan art, it's a public service. It's no different than say, taking a screenshot of a shadowy Rapture corridor and brightening the image a little so that people can see what the picture's subject is. In the end, it's all the same graphics.

UpgradeTech makes a good point about the glare obscuring the lettering.

Unownshipper (talk) 06:20, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations Adminship Approved
It is with sincere pleasure that I welcome you to the ranks of Adminship! Enough time has passed on you Request for User Rights for anyone to voice support, concern, or comments, but more than that, you've shown that you've earned the position. Your skills as a contributor and code writer are impeccable, your dedication to this Wikia is evident, and most importantly you've demonstrated a willingness to work with others for the betterment of the site. You've put the work before yourself, and it's time that you be recognized.

I'm pleased that you will now be able to edit without being bound by user rights problems, and I look forward to working in tandem to maintain and improve this site. I know that you have experience being an Admin on other Wikias, but still I hope you will come to me if you have any concerns or want any support on an issue.

Congratulations once again,

Unownshipper (talk) 08:06, February 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Think nothing of it. We are thankful to have you on the staff.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 08:15, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Congrates! sm --Solarmech (talk) 10:49, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Sandbox
I haven't toyed around in my sandbox for a while, so thanks for checking that out. Also congratulations on your adminship, you truly deserve it. :) Pauolo (talk) 19:40, February 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Done. Pauolo (talk) 19:18, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations on your approved adminship, well deserved!

Right off the bat I'm gonna ask you for a small favor: User:Pamela.pajarillaga has uploaded a few files labeled with "by Pamela Pajarillaga" in the end of the name and I don't think self-promoting should be done in this way. These files are by no means high quality, but they are in use, so I request a name change.


 * "file:Eleanor whispers to the Little Sister by Pamela Pajarillaga.jpg"
 * "file:Elizabeth in bioshock infinite trailor by pamela pajarillaga.jpg"
 * "file:The face of the crawler by Pamela Pajarillaga.jpg

--Shacob (talk) 08:09, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

EDIT: I uploaded a higher quality of this one.


 * "file:A rosie with his little sister by Pamela Pajarillaga.jpg"

--Shacob (talk) 08:15, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the fixes and for changing the name of every file with "tumblr" in the name!

--Shacob (talk) 16:26, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

Renaming image files
I wanted to say congratulations on your adminship.

However, there seems to be a problem with people uploading images with meaningless and nonsense names. I suspect that they were downloaded off the internet and uploaded without changing the title. It makes it difficult to tell what the image is based on the filename and whether something similar has already been uploaded, which is against the Wikipedia Manual of Style.

There's a partial list on the Rapture Businesses Project page. Could you rename the files to something more meaningful? UpgradeTech (talk) 09:40, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to a discussion regarding changes on a few wiki pages
I'm making this post to attract your attention towards this blog page: User blog:Pauolo/Name change and display of the removed content pages. This is an open discussion regarding the removed content pages of the wiki, for which I'd like to gather the largest possible number of active wiki editors. Feel free to share your thoughts in the comment section of the blog page. Pauolo (talk) 13:26, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Content Moderator Rights for Bioexpander
Thanks for consulting with me about this, I greatly appreciate it.

I think that this Content Moderator user group sounds like an excellent idea. I'm quite happy to have experienced editors like Bioexpander improving this site, but I'm wary about expanding User Rights since I feel like it'd set a bad precedent what with the fact that we just elevated you to Admin status very recently. Fortunately, this position is the perfect compromise. I wholeheartedly approve. Would you like me to initiate the change?

Unownshipper (talk) 08:28, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

re: Styling for Tabber
I don't see much difference between the upper and lower tabbers in your pic. Still, these look great and I'd suggest getting rid of the white line on the sides of the tabbers to keep to the wiki's style. Pauolo (talk) 20:01, April 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * This is looking better. One more detail though, the white boldfaced words make the colors of the tabbers dull in comparison. Could you try the model without the bold effect? Pauolo (talk) 14:08, April 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * This is definitely better, and I don't think there is more you can add to it now. Pauolo (talk) 16:47, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Require All Contributors to Log In
I was checking out the Wiki Features on the Admin Dashboard page. Most of the features are disabled and I can see why since they just aren't needed on this kind of site. One of the options is "Require all contributors to log in." Enabling this feature requires contributors on the wikia to be logged in to make changes or edits.

I believe that we should enable this feature. I think it would increase accountability and decrease vandalism. Your average vandal is motivated by simple, childish antics. If you make them go through the hassle of logging in, then it's less likely they'll make the bother. Logging in puts a name to the actions, which again would discourage your average troll.

What do you think of this suggestion? Should we open it up to a poll? We easily could, but I feel like it would just slow down the process and wouldn't impact any of our dedicated contributors as they already have registered accounts. Thoughts?

Unownshipper (talk) 00:05, April 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Clearly, this is a more complex issue than I realized, so thanks for offering some counterpoints. I'm still for it, but I see that it would be beneficial to open this up to a larger discussion rather than just pushing through with the change. The Good Faith principle is something to be mindful of as it's an important part of any Wiki.


 * I would argue however that even by registering a name, a contributor is able to maintain their anonymity. I value my privacy, that's why even now my Talk Page reveals very little about my personal life. Whether an edit to our site is made by "Unownshipper" or "A Wikia Contributor," said editor is still able to maintain their privacy.


 * Additionally, in between our replies in this conversation, the Security Bot page was vandalized. Sure, it wasn't an "attack," it was a simple undo, but still it goes to show that trolls will continue to be trolls. It reminds me however of another situation we've had. Previously, a user wanted to push (for lack of a better word) their agenda on the site and used a few wiki contributor accounts to make it look like multiple people agreed with them. The registered contributors feature would prevent both of these problems.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 03:40, April 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * I've been going through the recent edits and I saw the extended vandalism performed on the Handyman article which you took care of, and I've had enough. I'm going to create a blog post to raise attention for the proposed switch to Log-In Only, and ask for feedback from both the dedicated contributors and the unregistered members who edit in good standing (since they'll be the ones most effected).


 * You mentioned you'd reconsidered on the position a little. I hope you'll share you opinions both for and against the measure on the post so that we get a balanced discussion. I shamefully admit that I don't know how to create a poll, and would like to know if you could tell me how. It'll be extremely important that we include a vote before making any changes.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 19:19, September 21, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I appreciate it, and good point on the poll. Here's the wording I'm thinking of for the questions, but let me know if you think it should change:
 * Should the BioShock Wiki be set to Log-In Only?


 * I'm all for instituting the Log-In Feature, I want the site better protected from trolls and vandals.
 * I'd prefer to leave the Wiki as is, it allows for more privacy.
 * I have no strong feelings for or against this proposal.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 19:55, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Template:LowQualityImage
Thanks for the  headsup! I planned to condense it down, but I would have had to take a look at it. But now, not any more! It is a nice and short way! You may have guessed, but please use the sorting option if you tag images as LQI so that they are easier to find. thanks -- Bioexpander (talk) 16:43, May 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * I have never tested this, but do you think it would work to outsource eg. the topic list of approved image and information to one protected site so that this page could be used to used instead of adding the topics on four different placed?
 * --Bioexpander (talk) 18:47, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Comments on image talkpages
Are comments like File Talk:BioShock Infinite - Soldier's Field - Patriot's Pavilion - Ticket Shop-outside f0794.png or File Talk:KIN gNr038-lNr01 Kinetoscope Seized from the Graveyard Shift Bar f0782.png kept or deleted on this wiki page? They seem to be pretty useless to. --Bioexpander (talk) 08:20, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Re: BioShock 2 Model Renders
Great news! In matter of fact I have a few in mind:
 * The Silk Lounge marquee - Kashmir Restaurant (BioShock 2 Multiplayer)
 * The 1959 New Year's Cake - Kashmir Restaurant (BioShock 2 Multiplayer)
 * The Bulldozer (seen in this image file:MP Smuggler's Hideout 12.jpg) - Smuggler's Hideout (BioShock 2 Multiplayer)
 * The ADAM Vial
 * The cardboard-cutouts of the businessman and housewife - Point Prometheus (BioShock 2 Multiplayer) (Plasmid Wing)

--Shacob (talk) 13:59, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

That was fast! I think from the front and a little to the side would probably be best, similar to your Vacuum Bot shot.

--Shacob (talk) 14:24, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

No these are great! Terrific work! (and fun Portal reference)

Ps: Thank you for uploading high quality versions of the shots I took of Pearl's grave, Barbara Johnson & Jacob Norris in the training videos and "Fontaine" & Tenenbaum in the Need to Know Theaters. The quality I left them in had been bothering me for a while.

--Shacob (talk) 15:10, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

If I remember correctly the cutouts are not detailed on the backside, so I'd say a front shot. The Silk Lounge marquee seems a bit too complicated, so I recommend not to waste your time on it.

Another thing: Point Prometheus was intended to have a giant seahorse in a tank, but the tank is covered in the final game. Is there actually anything in the tank or is it just a place holder?

--Shacob (talk) 20:18, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

If I recall, the Pauper's Drop Market level in The Protector Trials had The Sinclair Deluxe marquee with a "Café" sign on it.

PS: Are you planning to add the models you provided for me on the pages, they are your uploads after all. Or should I do it?

PPS: Should we add both models of the cardboard cutouts (with the stand and the one without) or just one of them to the PP page and in that case, which one?

--Shacob (talk) 19:21, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

I have a few more models for you, when you've got the time.
 * The pile of money and jewelry found in Mercury Suites (BioShock 2 Multiplayer) (Penthouse) and Dionysus Park (BioShock 2 Multiplayer) (Image Fine Art safe room).
 * The Control Point from Turf War.
 * The signage for the Plasmid and Oddities Wing, found by the Entrance of the Museum in Point Prometheus (BioShock 2 Multiplayer) (seen on this image, in between the two doorways to the Whale Display).
 * The loading screen postcard for Mercury Suites, as the one we have is tilted.

--Shacob (talk) 18:35, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

If possible, it would be great to have three models, showing which team has occupied it. (or just the images showing on the screen of Team Atlas and Ryan, which could be used on the Team pages) and one neutral, so the transparent would fit in nicely for that one. --Shacob (talk) 18:48, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Of course! Take your time.

--Shacob (talk) 23:00, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Great work so far! I wouldn't waste time on any models that complicated, but there is another model the site could use: Siren Alley's "Sign" appears to be cut out from a screenshot, showing blue/green lines, so a replacement would be needed.

--Shacob (talk) 23:32, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

I have a few more:
 * There is an "On Tap" blackboard in the Fighting McDonagh's (BioShock 2 Multiplayer) with the prices for Ryan Club Beer Ale, Tennessee 111 Horse Ale and Wissmuller Beer. Seen under the Ryan Club sign in this image.
 * There is also circular signs for Wissmuller Beer in this map.
 * In Fontaine Fisheries (BioShock 2 Multiplayer), there are crates labeled as Lotz Friendsly Frish. I'm asuming they are from Lotz & Sons.
 * There are mats for the Pharaoh's Fortune Casino and Eve's Garden, with their logos on them, in Fort Frolic (BioShock 2 Multiplayer).
 * The Baby-Minder by McClendon Robotics in Minerva's Den (DLC).

--Shacob (talk) 21:37, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

That's alright, thank you!

--Shacob (talk) 22:17, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

You know looking at it now, the Ryan Club Beer Ale circular sign could really use an update, its quality reminds me a lot of the previous Siren Alley sign.

--Shacob (talk) 00:16, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

I think character models and their variants could be useful, especially those from Bio2's multiplayer but I couldn't find them all myself in the game's files. Pauolo (talk) 18:42, May 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * I used myself Umodel and have too no idea where the game stores those models. Bio2's files are such a mess to go through. /: Pauolo (talk) 19:18, May 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, It's always better than nothing I guess. Pauolo (talk) 12:41, May 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Nice catch! The spliced models look neat, and Louie's explain why his prison stripes look blue in-game. :D Pauolo (talk) 19:06, June 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi again, I have a few requests if your still open for them:


 * The model of the dead Cat.
 * Dr. Steinman's writings found all over the Medical Pavilion.

--Shacob (talk) 18:33, May 16, 2017 (UTC)

That's ok. I'm still glad you managed to get as many models as you did!

--Shacob (talk) 08:52, May 30, 2017 (UTC)

BioShock 2 Model Renders
That's simply fantastic, I look forward to what you'll add.

I can't think of specific render models to go looking for. Rather, the best method might be to just go jumping through pages and see if any of them seem lacking. I'm especially interested in anything you can gather from the Challenge Rooms as those pages have always been lacking visually. We'll probably never get any great screenshots from that or other DLCs, but with your help, we can improve the articles. I'd be very happy if you can get the marquees (or something iconic looking) to represent the Rapture Firing Range, Rapture's Grand Carnival, and Rapture's Combat Arena. I took a screenshot of the Firing Range logo years ago, but it's not great and ought to be replaced if possible.

Unownshipper (talk) 23:49, May 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh whoops, I read that too fast, I thought you had access to all the DLCs. Regardless, just choose the ones you like best. I never even noticed that bulldozer before you and Shacob mentioned it. One thing I think you might consider doing is visiting the Rapture Businesses article and look for an image from any of the businesses that don't have their own page.


 * There was a time where we thought it wasn't worth it to make a page for small businesses, but that argument has pretty much been obliterated. No rush on that though, any help you can offer is appreciated.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 00:45, May 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's speculation at all. It's not an unheard of notion that they'd be made by those businesses and it's doubley likely since you found them in the same levels. By the way, I love the angle the renders are captured in. They perfectly show off the objects, very elegant.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 21:54, May 6, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Photo's by JLBiggs
Will do. I'll look over the Information template more as well, I really want to help add more descriptive info for my pictures in future.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:26, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Wismuller Beer
I was looking through the Rapture Businesses and I noticed that the Semi-Canon business "Wismuller Beer" was hyperlinked to Beer, AKA the BioShock Infinite/Burial at Sea (DLC) variant, neither of which game reference Wismuller. I wanted to check if this was intentional or an accident before changing it.

Unownshipper (talk) 09:20, June 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Supposedly it's from the "Breaking the Mold" art book, which would place it in BioShock. I just wanted to make sure you didn't have a specific reason to list it under beer which was from a much later game. I think someone started listing the Little Sister Gifts under Teddy Bears, which they're not (not really), so I just wanted to prevent something similar. Thanks.

Unownshipper (talk) 09:35, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

Heads Up
The way I see it, editing the dialogue of an Audio Diary or Radio Messages based on how it sounds when the voice actor says it versus how it's written out in the game text or (in the case of the Unused Radio Messages) the game files, is tantamount to speculation. As we all know, we have a policy against that here. I've recently undone a lot edits that fall under precisely that category that were performed by ZanyDragon.

I've also just explained to him why it's against policy and alerted him to the fact that if he does it again, he'll be banned. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page with this topic. Also, if you come across these sorts of edits from him in future, then would you either carry out the ban or alert me so that I can take care of it? He's been on this site for a while and can be helpful (AKA, I know he's not being malicious with these edits), but I've had enough at this point.

Thanks,

Unownshipper (talk) 07:13, June 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * I was going back through my neglected discussions, and I saw I never responded to your question. There are a number of general rules that we follow on this Wiki but aren't written down per se; most were created via group decision/agreement to create uniformity across the site.


 * The "No Trivia Policy" is one such rule Gardimuer, another Admin on the site, pushed for this back when the most insignificant of details were being shoved into Trivia sections that stretched to half the article length. Another one (one without a good name) is the "No Hyperlinking Subjects in The Heading 2 Style Section Policy," it's the reason why the template appears beneath all specific game sections.


 * I'd like to make a "Specific to This Wiki" Policy Page for non-dedicated contributors, but that's another discussion. I regret bothering you with that problem while you were busy with school. That specific contributor has been a repetitive problem (he seems to have taken the hint... for now), but it probably wasn't good to drag you into the midst of it. We've all got our own separate things to take care of.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 02:38, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Bioshocks future can take time.
Man it's  been a while since the last Bioshock came out with an ending that was disappointing to me. Since 2K said 2K Marin would take over in 2014 it felt like 3 years already went by after that being said and question is what the hell is taking so long!? I loved the series ever since the 1st one. I watched the first one while my brother was playing it as I was young. Im 15 in a half now if you ask. The 4th game still to this day seemingly remains a mystery with no word at this years E3. I wonder if it would be best to end it there to make the series have a great legacy. I'd like to go further into the series but the sea and sky have been used a lot. I don't know whats next. An underground city? Tell me what you think should happen. Continue or leave it there? WOT3000 (talk) 11:30, June 18, 2016 (UTC)WOT3000

No reply after me having great patience of an answer all day?
Why won't people talk to me? :'(WOT3000 (talk) 00:11, June 19, 2016 (UTC)WWOT3000

Trivia
Why not?, they are on basically every other wiki? (Kelis98 (talk) 22:26, July 3, 2016 (UTC))

Re: The Thinker and ADAM
Thank you!

--Shacob (talk) 13:54, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Image from Multiplayer Farmers Market you uploaded
I think that image was a screenshot from one of the trailers for the multiplayer. You can replace it if you want, it doesn't look good anyway. :) Pauolo (talk) 21:52, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Gaming footer
Hi, Mainframe98!

A user recently nominated Bioshock for inclusion in our gaming footers program. Would you be interested?

Best regards,

Raylan13 ( talk ) 18:41, July 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Horror it is ;) I'll it momentarily! Raylan13 ( talk ) 18:49, July 28, 2016 (UTC)

Bioshock: Rapture (Novel)
Lets talk about the edits on here (Kelis98 (talk) 21:41, August 9, 2016 (UTC)).

Re: Blocking IP addresses
I hadn't considered that, I'll keep it in mind in future.

Unownshipper (talk) 20:29, August 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, hope all is well. I recently blocked a user who messed with a page, inserted Russian into the summary, and then undid his own edit. I considered the point you made a few weeks ago, and since it was a relatively minor incident, I blocked them for 2 weeks to send a message but not be overly harsh.


 * After doing this, I checked the Blocklist and reviewed my previous blocks, the ones I set for Infinity. After going over them, I find my attitude quite unchanged. In most every case, the vandal disrupted the site, spammed, behaved crudely, and in one case, directly threatened other contributors. These are not people we want here, so I have no problem with keeping them away for an unlimited time.


 * I can appreciate your concern for the other contributors who sometimes use those IP addresses, but, and please correct me if I'm mistaken, it'd seem that that's only the case for unregistered users. For users with a Wiki account and domain name, isn't the blocked IP address a non-issue as they have a dedicated entryway? I've said before that I'd prefer if this site had a Registered User Policy, partially for this reason, but mainly to have a more connected community. Also, from your summary, it'd seem that's only an issue sometimes as the addresses circulate.


 * Again, please correct me if I'm wrong. I want to stress both that I do take your concerns seriously and that I want this to be a protected, yet welcoming community.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 05:48, August 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's good to hear, I'm glad everything worked out. Thanks for bringing this possibility to my attention, the last thing we want to do is impact people who only want to contribute something useful to the site.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 15:03, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Response
I think organizing the policies like that will help newcomers and dedicated contributors, thanks a lot.

I'm very happy to hear about the Appreciation feature. Everyone who edits here does it out of their own spare time, so it's nice to let them know that their contributions are both noticed and valued without repeating the same comment to the point where it becomes a platitude.

Sure, I'll archive my earlier posts to a more manageable size just as soon as I figure out how to store them.

Unownshipper (talk) 20:54, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Unplayable protagonist
Re: Unplayable Protagonist. Yes, you can have an unplayable protagonist in a video game. After all Elizabeth is an unplayable protagonist in the main BioShock Infinite game, isn't she? In fact Booekr and Elizabeth are sometimes called dualtagonists to show how important both are to the story. :) sm --Solarmech (talk) 19:13, September 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Point of order, a deuteragonist is the person second in importance to the protagonist in a drama. The word is not to be used as a synonym for "two protagonist of equal importance/screen time." Furthermore, the issue of deuteragonist is irrelevant in the current debate.


 * There isn't a deuteragonist in BioShock 2, not even Eleanor Lamb. Nor is there a non-playable character. The edits made to the Subject Delta article were unnecessary and somewhat clumsily written in the context, so I say they stay removed.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 20:36, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Background
Hello there, Mainframe! I'm NinjaFatGuy, a Wikia Star here on Wikia. As I was browsing this wiki, one thing that bothered me was the current background and its format. The size of the background does not fit relatively close to a common 1920x1080 monitor (as you can see here). I'd like to propose that the wiki updates the background, and I've already formatted a background on my test wiki, so feel free to check it out. It removes the black bar in the middle of the background and formats the image to fit the whole screen of a common resolution.

Another idea is that we change the background to a whole new image. A large contender I believe would be the wallpaper for the upcoming BioShock: The Collection, as it includes both Rapture and Columbia and fitting for the wiki.

Please let me know what you think, thanks! NinjaFatGuy (talk) 19:39, September 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Looks a lot better. Although, it appears the image is larger than 2000 pixels. So under the Theme Designer, I'd recommend checking the "no split" option to remove the black bar in the middle of the wallpaper. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 18:51, September 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't believe you are correct. If your background is larger than 2000 pixels you have the option to select "no split", which disables the split, or the empty space between the background. I'd highly recommend you check the box so you can remove the split as it is quite noticeable with the wiki's page transparency. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 21:00, September 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * The image appears to be the previous but left-aligned now -- odd. It may be conflicting with the CSS, so you may want to look into it. If you'd like, you can grant me temporary administrative rights so I can fix it myself and I'll remove them afterwards. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 21:11, September 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Alright thanks, I'll be sure to fix it. Thanks. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 21:20, September 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * I've fixed it, it was simply the CSS coding that transcended the Theme Designer. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 21:23, September 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Haha, you're very much welcome! Glad I could be of help. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 21:30, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Concerning the Information Template
I've just gone through and added informative descriptions to the batch of images I recently uploaded. It's important to me that the images be appropriately categorized, and also that I categorize the ones I contribute accurately. The explanation for the template descriptions on the information page is detailed and helpful, but I still have some questions.

Regarding the image to the right, I listed the "Topic" as NPC, though I'm not sure if I shouldn't have categorized it as Enemy instead. What shall we count Rapture Citizens as? For that matter, how should I describe the Appearance collages I've added (and will continue to add)?

Unownshipper (talk) 18:59, September 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Another concern comes to mind, BioShock: The Collection. I've been meaning to bring this up ever since remastered images started appearing on the site, but kept forgetting to do so. I think it's important that we distinguish between remastered images and images from the original games, but currently there's only values for the original games. Also, I still would like your advice regarding the Appearance images especially since I recently added one for the BioShock 2 version of Breadwinner.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 02:21, March 16, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for implementing the change for the remastered editions. I'll add the tag to as many images as need be, but it might also be helpful to explain how to do that on the Information page so that other people can add it too when filling out their image's information.


 * I've given the Appearance images some thought, I was thinking I'd just categorize them as "Levelless" or "Multiple" for Level. For Topic, I couldn't decide between "Enemy" or just create a new value, specifically "Appearance," thoughts? Is there anything I need to be aware of for License? Obviously, 2K (or whoever) did not make these images (I did), but the collage is composed of elements from the BioShock series... should I just stick with the license?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 21:53, March 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Much obliged!


 * Unownshipper (talk) 05:55, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey there, hope you're doing well! I've got another addendum to the information template. Can you add a vector for Fanart to the Topic sections? I'd like to be able to properly categorize my repurposed Rapture Advertisement fanart images. Also, when categorizing them, what should I put for Game? I can figure out what to do for all other sections, but Game is tricky since the focus could be on any of the Rapture-centered games.


 * Thanks!


 * Unownshipper (talk) 00:55, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

A Recurring Problem
I apologize for the length of this post, but it requires some context. While reviewing some recent contributions, I came across an edit that I believe is unnacceptable on this site. An editor using the IP address 75.36.137.119 inserted the following on the Sofia Lamb article:


 * While living in Hiroshima, Japan during World War II, she worked as a missionary providing medical relief for the survivors of the Hiroshima bombing.

This sort of side commentary being presented as a reference seems like an obvious violation of wiki content policy, and certainly violates the trivia/speculation policy. The worst part is that this isn't the first time this's happened.

The user is almost certainly Testxyz, an editor with a checked past on this site who always uses an IP adress starting with 75.36.1... when not signed in. While he's helped in the past by adding more objectivity to some pages (at one point the site was pretty clearly biased against Andrew Ryan), he's alienated members of the community, used the Talk Pages as his personal ranting ground against the game, edited out material he finds objectionable, and replaced it with his own personal head canon.

The following are edits undone from The Sinclair Deluxe article September 13, 2014:


 * Though attractive enough to draw people in, the hotel was logically constructed with cheaper materials.


 * Even in Rapture's heyday, Sinclair himself called the hotel a "slum"

I undid the edits and explained on his Talk Page (that time, he used the address 75.36.140.156) why his actions were inappropriate, but it appears he's not taken the reprimand to heart. I believe this repeated unprofessional behavior is grounds for instituting a block, but since we were discussing blocks recently I wanted to run it by you to see if you had any objections.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:07, September 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * I've instituted the Range Block; thanks for setting events in motion. I'm afraid I'm unconvinced that this will be the last we see of this. He might simply go back to using the Testxyz moniker or try other IP addresses that fall just outside of the Range Block to make it appear that people agree with him, but at least for now something's been done about it and the accounts that've caused the trouble will be inactive.


 * I would point out that initiating the Registered Users Only policy would (almost certainly) eliminate a tracking problem like this, but I don't want to appear ungrateful and can concede that troublesome users like this are in the extreme minority on this site. Once again, I very much appreciate your help.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 05:23, September 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * I see you got the vote template set up, how shall we implement it? I know how to add a poll, but I assume there is something more required for a manual vote counter.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 03:56, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Audio Diary
Hey Mainframe, I am trying to collect all the audio logs from Burial at Sea and I have a Windows 7 with Chrome and the ogg won't load either, any suggestions to help me snag the file?146.135.46.124 05:10, September 20, 2016 (UTC) Edit:Nevermind, I got it it, oddly enough IE actually let me download it when it was stated it didn't work. Thanks for your help though!146.135.46.124 11:13, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Something Questionable
I've been reviewing the recent changes and I noticed an edit to the BioShock Infinite Credits article. A user by the name LaJolly added a name to the Quality Assurance Team; the name: Laura Jolly. You see the problem here?

Either she really was a member of the Quality Assurance Team for BioShock Infinite and she used something very close to her real name when she registered a Wikia account, or someone is trying to falsely take credit for working on Infinite. It doesn't help that no source has been offered. Thoughts?

Unownshipper (talk) 04:37, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Something Peculiar
I've noticed something rather odd. Yesterday, I tried to undo the latest change to the BioShock Infinite Removed Content article. In it User:Raymond1922 changed "bioshock" to "Bio Shock". Naturally, I went to undo the edit and make it one italicized word, yet after I pressed publish no change had been done. I assumed it was a simple error, but after repeated attempts yesterday and a new attempt today with no success, I have to wonder if something is wrong.

Maybe there's something wrong with my computer or my connection, but I find that unlikely since I've already made several changes successfully. Just wanted to alert you.

Unownshipper (talk) 21:53, October 20, 2016 (UTC)

Skyhook images
I noticed you deleted all those images from the Sky-Hook page. ZanyDragon (talk) 16:35, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Edit to Musical Insult
You're right and looking in to it, this also effects Anna Culpepper's page, and now I'm not sure if I'm confident enough to stand by my change, as it is a bit ambiguous. "Anna Culpepper's latest musical insult" could be interpreted in two ways:


 * 1) He refers to Ryan's Songbird, by calling it a musical insult towards him and wonders why the papers waist their time on that album.
 * 2) He refers to some other work by Culpepper and wonders why the papers waste their time on her, as he sees her as a bad artist. Saying that her work is a insult to music.

I'm not sure which one is correct, but I'm leaning towards #2. What do you think?

--Shacob (talk) 16:29, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

While we continue this conversation on my talk page, (if that's ok) I will say that you didn't come of as blunt according to me, and thank you :). You too keep making note worthy edits to this wiki and I'm quite impressed with your coding skills.

--Shacob (talk) 15:40, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Re: BioShock: Rapture TOC
My copy is the paperback version, which has 432 pages. The ISBN is: 978-0-7653-6735-8.

Chapter 18 starts on page 370 in my copy.

I didn't even think about the fact that different versions of the book have different numbers of pages, good catch. Should we add in the source some indication of which version was used while citing?

--Shacob (talk) 21:27, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

Suchong poster from Ryan the Lion Preparatory Academy
I noted you uploaded the posters of Andrew Ryan, Sander Cohen and Brigid Tenenbaum from Ryan the Lion Preparatory Academy, do you happen to have the one of Yi Suchong as well?

Happy thoughts --JollyHarriet (talk) 19:22, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

Wow great job! And I'm glad it wasn't much of a bother! I noted you wrote "The Scientist Suchong" but I'm thinking of the possibility that it might have read: "The Geneticist Suchong"?

Happy thoughts --JollyHarriet (talk) 17:33, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

Edits Rejected!?
I'm curious as to why you rejected my recent wiki edits (Security Camera & Vita-Chamber)? After reading a bit, I understand now that you don't allow trivia, but the other edit were valid. 70.170.67.244 19:53, January 27, 2017 (UTC)

References to the "unhackable" security camera can be found on the security camera talk page. 70.170.67.244 17:23, February 16, 2017 (UTC)

Returning to the Vote
Hey Mainframe98, hope all is well. After commenting on two of the points on the Talk:BioShock Wiki earlier today, I recalled that I never did implement the vote regarding the Log-In Only setting. I still feel the same way I did about it 5 months ago and want to find out how the others do too. The benefit of this long wait is that a lot of people got a chance to see the post highlighted on the Recent News blog section.

Anyways, I'm planning to add the voting options to the A Serious Consideration blog. Here's how it'll look, I wanted to get your input:

OFFICIAL POLL

Should the BioShock Wiki be set to Log-In Only?


 * 1) I'm all for instituting the Log-In Feature, I want the site better protected from trolls and vandals.
 * 2) I'd prefer to leave the Wiki as is, it allows for more privacy.
 * 3) I have no strong feelings for or against this proposal.

Voting will continue until. Please cast your votes the following way:
 * Use the voting templates: Support - Neutral - Oppose
 * Write your vote in three items (1 2 3), so we know which vote goes for what option.
 * Please write a reason for your vote.

So, the way this is written, I would "support" option 1. and "oppose" 2. and 3., right?

Unownshipper (talk) 02:57, February 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I thought that was a little complex too, but I was trying to mirror the example from the Language Brigade you showed me (which had 3). I'll stick to the straightforward wording in your proposal. Thanks!


 * Unownshipper (talk) 00:04, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Marking images for deletion
Thank you! In matter of fact I do: If an image is an exact duplicate I usually don't look at anything else except for the date it was uploaded on. I think it's only fair that the image which was uploaded first is the one that stays, fair for the user that first uploaded it, that is. I, at least, wouldn't be too fond is someone started uploading the exact same images that I've scrambled through the web for (ex. rare concept art), except with a better name, plus I think that would be even more work, than simply renaming.

But I see what you mean: Why save an image with a bad name, that has to be renamed, while the same image exists with a good name, that will be deleted? Less work, so I will start looking at the names when there is a duplicate to be deleted! However, I don't think I will be replacing newly uploaded duplicate images, which the user who uploaded it orphaned, as he/she noted that it was already uploaded (unless the naming is way WAY better), especially if they have a proper infobox.

--Shacob (talk) 16:09, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

Good work and of course, that was a miss on my part: File:Popscreen2bioshock.jpg

--Shacob (talk) 14:18, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new to this community
Hey, Im SSJ3 Rusticus. Im a moderator over at the Fallout Wikia. Ive been a Bioshock fan for most of my life. The Collection has resparked my love for the series. I thought it would be cool to join is Fandom community.

I do have two questions. One, are there any projects that help is needed on? Id like to make myself useful. I understand im joining at a really bad time. Seeing how no news on future installments of the Bioshock series exists. If you know of anything, od be happy to help if i can. Secondly, i had some theories on cool settings for future games (like many of us have). Is there a proper place to post my theories? Would i just start a blog thread?

Thanks for reading, and let me know!

SSJ3 Rusticus (talk) 19:22, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Removing BioShock Infinite category from Forum
Hi, could you possibly remove the BioShock Infinite category from this forum page: Forum:Bioshock infinite shock jockey/undertow mechanics. Forums shouldn't be categorized with "main page" categories.

--Shacob (talk) 13:14, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

And from this user blog: User blog:EpicGamerWorld/Bioshock Infinite The Lock That Fits The Key.

--Shacob (talk) 13:15, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

Worlds of Hurt
Hey, I was planning to return the quote on the Worlds of Hurt to the way it originally looked. I just wanted see if you had anything to add to the discussion (for or against) on the Talk:Worlds of Hurt page since you originally tried to offer a cordial solution.

Unownshipper (talk) 21:56, April 19, 2017 (UTC)

Fontaine Court
I saw the revision you made to Atlantic Express (Business), are we certain that Fontaine Court is Fontaine Futuristics (Level)?

Unownshipper (talk) 02:50, April 23, 2017 (UTC)

File Sizes
I found some trailers for BS2 and BSI on the Blur Studio site, but am worried about file size for uploading (one of them is 200+ mb). These do have a watermark on them, but are high quality vids otherwise. So would such a large file size cause problems for the wiki? sm --Solarmech (talk) 10:41, May 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * Ugh, I should have looked at the uploading rules myself. Sorry. sm

The Character Tracker
Hey, I was wondering about something and wanted your opinion. I was thinking about taking the Character Tracker and making an actual article out of it. The Characters pages (BioShock Characters, BioShock 2 Characters, etc.) are useful, but they are all very specific and compartmentalized by their games. Having all characters together might make searching easier for us, a fan fiction writer, or any other site visitors. I can imagine this page would be categorized under the "Characters" and "BioShock Setting" categories; thus, the article wouldn't be visited often, but it wouldn't be a floating island of a page.

I want your opinion on whether this is a useful move or not, and please don't be concerned about my feelings. I, myself am worried about setting a bad precedent for turning Blog Posts into articles (if on of mine becomes "official" what about someone else's, etc.), but at the same time I feel like it's not a fan theory sort of topic so it does have some merit. It's kind of similar to the Creatures of the BioShock series article which appeared not long after the Flora and Fauna of Rapture blog posted.

Unownshipper (talk) 23:26, May 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm so very pleased to hear you say that. Do you think it should be renamed to something other than "Character Tracker?" Do you also think the Flora and Fauna of Rapture blog should be made into an article?


 * Unownshipper (talk) 22:58, May 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of "BioShock Wiki Character Tracker." No worries, the "Speculation is welcome" line from Flora and Fauna was only ever intended for blog. When these are converted to articles, the introductory text will need to be changed to be less personalized.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 02:40, May 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * So the BioShock Wiki Character Tracker has been implemented, and already we've got people contributing to it to improve it, which is excellent. It still needs work, and maybe you know how to add something I've wanted to include. I'd like there to be another column that keeps track of the number of citizens. Quite easily, I could assign an arbitrary number based on the current ordering (Andrew Ryan is 1., Atlas is 2., Brigid Tenenbaum is 3., etc.), but that would create a problem if someone were to search by first name, last name, or primary game appearance.


 * Do you know a way to add a number column? I tried just doing #, but that didn't work the way I wanted it to in a list.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 23:08, May 22, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Saltonstall 's first name
Thanks! And I'd say yes, I'm glad you brought it up, so be my guest. And while on the topic, shouldn't we rename Lady Comstock's page as well (to Lady Annabelle Comstock), as we now know that her name is Annabelle Comstock?

--Shacob (talk) 16:32, May 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * In my (mostly useless) opinion I don't think it should be renamed. She is known by "Lady Comstock" and people seeing Annabelle Comstock would be confused and it could be a minor spoiler as Elizabeth is asked if she was "Annabelle" at one point. sm --Solarmech (talk) 17:19, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

A Wiki Proposal
Hi, I have a proposal for the Wiki, and that would be to make a page for every trophy/achievement unlockable during the games. I've looked at other Wikias for other major games and every one that I've checked has done this. We could add strategies to the ones that need them, as every trophy isn't that easy to achieve. I know that there is a lot of trophies/achievements, but overtime we would be finished and I would be active in this. If we decide to do this, an infobox and categories would have to be created.

I've also alerted User:Unownshipper to this

--Shacob (talk) 11:52, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea.

While we are entertaining proposals how about this. A Automaton page. Columbia has a ton of these things (military, Vending Machines pilots and more) but there isn't one place for them. Also posted to User:Unownshipper. sm --Solarmech (talk) 12:41, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

Apologies
Hi, i'm so sorry for what happened in Adelaide Tobet page. It looks like i made a mistake translating, resulting in have translated to spanish language at the same english page. Don't think that was a kind of vandalism nor anything. I'm now an english-spanish translater, so i'm from es.bioshock.wikia.com. Thanks for fix it.

You can delete this post at the time you read this. Caisary (talk) 21:40, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Image request
If it is not too much of a bother, I'm wondering if you could upload the render model of the Sally photograph. The reason I want this particular photo is not for me, but for the cosplayers. I've seen that Elizabeth in Burial at sea is very popular to cosplay and many use the Sally photo for their cosplay.

An example: http://lucyieech.deviantart.com/art/Elizabeth-Burial-At-Sea-464845858

I don't think the full image exists anywhere on the web and I think the wiki would be a great place for the cosplayers to find the image, instead of using the screenshot one.

Happy thoughts :) --JollyHarriet (talk) 21:22, August 9, 2017 (UTC)

Lovely work! I'm sure that the version you uploaded would be greatly appreciated, but I'm not stopping you ;)

Happy thoughts --JollyHarriet (talk) 19:58, August 28, 2017 (UTC)

Steinman's Quote
I saw you undid my undo. I wanted to check what you meant because the subtitle text in the game (the white dialogue that appears on screen) lists the exchange in the previous manner before the contributor's changes ( "An intruder! He's ugly! Ugly! Ugly! UGLY!!"). The Quotes section however, has it written as "An intruder?! He's ugly! Ugly! Ugly! UGLYYYYYYYY!". And now, the current version (the change made by the FANDOM user) is displayed as "An intruder! He's ugly! Ugly! UGLY! UUUUUGGGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So his/hers does not match the way its written in the Quotes section AND the way its written in the Quotes section doesn't match the text that appears in the game. So what should we do?

Unownshipper (talk) 21:49, August 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * No worries, I assumed there was a simple misunderstanding. Glad this was sorted out.


 * As a small side note, since this started the user who made the original edit has been adding a ridiculous number of exclamation points and question marks to other quotes, so what originally seemed like well-intentioned edits now seems more like trollish vandalism. I've blocked the account for 1 week, so hopefully they'll cut it out.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 02:41, August 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * I had forgotten about the situation, thanks for handling this. Huh. So that's what it looks like in the game code... Okay, well like you said we should stick with the source files for out standards. Again thanks.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 01:00, October 11, 2017 (UTC)

Jennifer Walker
I wanted to check that you were aware of the recent changes to the Jennifer Walker page. You were the one who added and formatted the transcript from her missing persons clipping, and at the end you added. User Caisary recently removed all of that extra space, so I wanted to make sure that was fine.

Unownshipper (talk) 19:54, August 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Good. I knew you'd have the answer.


 * Unownshipper (talk) 22:42, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Possible Update
There's a bit of a debate regarding the Would You Kindly article as of late. It seems generally accepted that the rename to "Would you kindly" was improper and it was best to return it to fully capitalized, but now there's a discussion about the phrase appearing capitalized throughout the article itself. Do we need an addendum added to the Wiki's Manual of Style, or is it fine if Would You Kindly is an informal exception?

Unownshipper (talk) 01:18, August 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, I remember you were working on that. Thanks for taking point on that project, it was much needed. If there was any doubt on whether your Policy stuff should go into the manual, I definitely think it should. I totally agree on Would You Kindly, and am now picturing Atlas as a grammar-nazi, lol! So long as it's not an unnecessary/attention-grabbing spoiler somewhere on an article (ex. "Jack walks into the Footlight Theater and Atlas asks'Would you kindly lower your weapon' as he comes across a Little Sister below." or something similar to that), then it should be fully capitalized.


 * I will definitely consult you if I think of anything to add, thanks!


 * Unownshipper (talk) 03:01, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

Admin Action Request
Looks like we need some admin work done. Someone (68.1.22.231) has been making a bunch of categories that have nothing to do with BioShock and adding to the Mask page (already undone). There is a temp block on the account but it's only for a few hours. The pages/categories in question are:


 * Category:Jennifer Hale
 * Category:Alyssa Milano
 * Category:Jada Stevens
 * Category:Jennifer Hale

Looks like this user was planing to do more but the system blocked it. No idea what the ultimate goal was. Same info posted to Unownshipper sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:32, October 20, 2017 (UTC)

Policy Note
I really like the work you have done towards the policy page, but I do have one note: I've gotten the impression that the Audio Diary section in New Discoveries comes second to last, right before Kinetoscopes/Need to Know Theater and not in the second spot?

--Shacob (talk) 11:39, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

Well done! I do have another request for you. I was wondering if you could add a feature to the "Pictures Needed" template, which would allow one to write what pictures are needed, similar to how one puts a reason for why something is a candidate for deletion. It can be hard to figure out what images the person that added the template to a respective page had in mind.

--Shacob (talk) 09:13, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

It's perfect, thank you!

--Shacob (talk) 20:06, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Rewarding Work
Hey, how's it going? I've been away from the site for a bit what with work irl taking priority, but I've just been noticing the routine improvements everyone's been doing: Shacob adding the BioShock Infinite Achievements and Trophies and finding more source mugshots, you continuing to improve the policies and codes, Solarmech catching that vandal, UpgradeTech adding more renders, etc.

All of it improves the site, yet it's repetitive and a hassle to say "thanks" each and every time. It got me wondering, what ever happened to that "send a congratulations" feature? I seem to recall like a year ago there was a button you could click after someone made an edit where you could express your appreciation for the edit, but it's been gone for a while. Do you have any idea what happened to it? None of us do this work for praise, but it's still nice to say thanks if we can.

Unownshipper (talk) 20:03, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Redirects
Of Course. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for bringing this to my attention.

--Shacob (talk) 21:30, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

Signature Section
Hi, I've been thinking of an idea for the character infobox: A signature section. This section would allow one to add an image of the character's signature. To show an example, here is a link to the Harry Potter Wiki, where they use this: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Minerva_McGonagall.

While I don't see how this section could do any harm, I thought it might be redundant, as I though there wasn't enough known signatures, but there is actually quite a few (that I've found so far): Brigid Tenenbaum (Signature), Yi Suchong (Signature), J.S. Steinman (Signature), Mark Meltzer (Signature), Orrin Oscar Lutwidge (Signature) or (Signature), Amanda Kay Meltzer (Signature), Howard Lyman (Signature), James Millard Oakes (Signature), Casey Ferrence (Signature), Celeste Roget (Signature) or (Signature), Charles Molley (Signature), Booker DeWitt (Signature) and Jeremiah Fink (Signature).

--Shacob (talk) 23:27, December 1, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Category Prelude
Thank you, and I do realize I can sometimes get heated when someone makes an unconstructive or just plain bad edit. I think of this wiki as one of the best fan-made ones out there and I'm always trying to help it stays as such, but I admit my faults.

--Relativus (talk) 17:57, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

Updating the Wiki's Menu
Hi I have an update request, regarding the Wiki's menu, the menu that reads BioShock Series, BioShock Infinite, Community and Explore (under the BioShock Wiki text). I think we should have separate sections for BioShock and BioShock 2, just like with BioShock Infinite, instead of under "BioShock Series". One of the main reasons I wan't it changed is because BioShock Infinite is also part in the BioShock series and having it in its own section, with the two others under one, makes it seem like BioShock Infinite is not part of the series.

--Shacob (talk) 20:15, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

Strange that we only have 4. I checked other Wikias (Harry Potter, Star Wars, Disney, The Walking Dead and Fallout) and all of them have 6 main tabs. Is it "locked" for this wiki or something similar? In that case we could ask the Wiki staff to unlock them for us.

Maybe we could have the "Other" section in both of the tabs and add art books and such, while still keeping the two already there... and adding an other section for BioShock Infinite, for the book and board game etc.

The Universe section on the other hand... We could keep them in their respective sections or add an additional tab for universes as the Rapture Universe could also fit under BioShock Infinite with Burial at Sea and all. But then again... a tab with only two "sub tabs" is a bit redundant...

We could also have an "other" section for things like BioShock in Other Media, Removed Content and Cultural References, if we would get the two additional tabs that is.

But these are just suggestions, so let me hear what you think.

--Shacob (talk) 16:57, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

Great suggestion! I like your idea more than mine, so you have my support on changing the tabs.

--Shacob (talk) 20:08, January 8, 2018 (UTC)