Accent confirmation? Edit
Looking at the "mix between an Irish and Jamaican accent" on there, was her real accent ever confirmed, or was it speculated as what people think it would sound like? I'm not saying its neither right or wrong, but it sounds like that situation we always see with what people think the Columbian guns are, where without a source of it, its more assuming of what it is than being speculative or confirmed on it. I don't know if I want to remove or change that yet from the article, but from what I brought up, it doesn't sound as confirmed, either.Evans0305 16:18, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
Her accent and background have never been confirmed. It's purely speculation as to what her admittedly odd voice sounds like.
Unownshipper 21:40, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
Went ahead and did it, since there's no point of keeping it there, when either further info or the game's release will alter it anyways. True, there may be some distinct tone to it, and it could possibly be one of those accents, but the "mix between an Irish and Jamaican" just sounds like someone wasn't that sure about which accent would fit in there, and it just sounds more speculative on the article like that. Evans0305 01:55, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
- That she will turn out to be Comstock's daughter or someone from The Founder's relative?
Considering she is black (Comstock obviously is a huge bigot) I doubt it. user:Mr Bio Shock 01:25, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
- He has several audio-diaries where he says racist things. Like "the only animal born free is the white man". Poketape 23:16, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Columbia's very EXISTENCE is because of it. The "Burden not Columbia with your chaff"banner, and the Wounded Knee and Boxer Rebellion exhibitsDoug Exeter (talk) 12:58, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
I hate Elizabeth now for killing daisy. She may of been brutal but at least she tried to help other races.
Elizabeth had no real choice. Daisy was going to murder a CHILD. Yes, Columbia's treatment of minorities was reprehensible. But that doesn't excuse murdering children. A revolt was justifiable, to a point. Daisy and the Vox Populi had started crossing that line. Daisy proves Nietsche's old adage of "Be careful when fighting monsters, lest you become one." In the end, Daisy became that which she hated most. Even before the revolt, Daisy was hardly a saint. Don't forget she had exploited Doctor Pinchot's fondness for her and killed him in cold blood once he served her own needs. She even ordered the Vox to slaughter all the defenseless civilians fleeing Columbia.220.127.116.11 03:37, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
""who used his contacts on the ground to procure "Negro convicts" for menial labor within the city""Edit
How exactly would this work ? Convicts are registered with the state authorities/government of some kind. Many have relatives who will know very quickly that the convicts have 'vanished' (murdered? sold into slavery?) and various journalists/big newspapers will come sniffing around for the big story. Washington would find out and politicians would join the national outrage.
So when did this happen? If it was early (logical proof early - Daisy Fitzroy 1903 revealed leader of Vox Populi, so it didnt happen after Columbia became a pirate city/seceded(1902)... ) ---- within those earlier years the truth would come out and the repercussions would come at Comstock and Fink (probably resulting in their arrest and imprisonment while the US still controlled Columbia - there ARE many years between 1993 and 1902...) Why would the US Government even have someone like Comstock in charge, when plenty of political appointees would vie for the same position and government personnel were largely in charge and running it all??
So again this needed a little constraint by reality (historical understanding) instead of just "hey thats a good idea" to build up the contrived Fail-topia context (particularly after all the hype about it allegedly being a portrayal of 'america' somehow, with 'real' social issues, etc...).
A more plausible story would have been after the 'show city' was overthrown/seized by Comstock and cronies they kidnapped people to be servitors after the government employees and non-cultists escaped. Additional 'right minded' and 'devout' people would be recruited (lighthouses etc...) via ground based operatives. Eventually it would settle after a few years into that mimick of Americana that Booker encounters.
They built a city in the clouds, they raised her up with joy.
Reflection of America, from Maine to Illinois.
But we were put in bondage, suckered by the rich man's ploy.
Until our chains were broken by the girl they call Fitzroy! ZanyDragon (talk) 02:32, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
Who then following the pattern becomes the new 'Founders' and is even a bigger tyrant....
Not to worry though, the people who know how to keep the 'floaty' machines running are now dead and within a week the whole place crashes into the ground and kills everyone.
Daisy Falls for the old "you gotta sacrifice yourself faking to murder someone so they can murder you and learn a lesson" trick :Edit
"Fitzroy that Elizabeth must become a woman and a murderer, and in order to do so, Fitzroy needs to give Elizabeth a reason to kill her. At first Fitzroy refuses to harm Fink's son, saying that, although she wants to see Fink and Comstock fall, the sins of father should not be taken out on the boy. The Luteces hint that she doesn't have to kill him, but to just threaten him him enough so that Elizabeth will have no choice but to "mature" into a killer ..."
Works every time...
Again, the Luteces seem to be the center of all the woes that happen, and Elizabeth (supposed with her godlike powers) cant/wont see this. Instead of going after Booker/Comstock for revenge over and over, Elizabeth should be seeking to eliminate the meddling Luteces as the root of the whole mess.
She's not in BioShock; she's in Episode 2 which, for better or worse, tries to tie the two together. 18.104.22.168 20:32, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
Daisy Fitzroy and Aisha Tyler Edit
I finally got around to confirming the trivia point by listening through Aisha Tyler's podcast.
I got three sources which I will add to the article in due course.
April 14th, 2013 on Alison Rosen's podcast @ 57:40 http://alisonrosen.com/2013/04/ariynbf-165-with-aisha-tyler/
17 Apr 2013 on twitter: https://twitter.com/aishatyler/status/324534447804399617
July 18, 2013 on Aisha's podcast @ 01:14:23 http://girlonguy.net/podcast/girl-on-guy-102-kumail-nanjiani/
At one point, Aisha recorded around 47 minutes of dialogue which wasn't used in the final game. She does joke, "That was supposed to be me, but I don't think I sounded black enough." in her podcast.
It does beg the question whether she was the voice for Daisy Fitzroy used in the 2011 E3 demo that had a Jamaican lilt.
Removed Behind the Scenes speculation Edit
The following Behind the Scenes material was removed because it is speculation:
- Interestingly, a statue of Daisy Fitzroy has her holding a red rope, intending to strangle Lady Comstock. When Daisy dies, she's killed by Elizabeth with scissors. Symbolism-wise, this can be a connection to the myth of "The Thread of Fate". An Asian myth about how the gods tie an invisible red cord around the ankles of those that are destined to meet one another in a certain situation or help each other in a certain way. While the myth usually has romantic connections, in Bioshock Burial at Sea, the Lutece twins convinced Fitzroy to martyr herself so Elizabeth can find the strength to stop Comstock. This idea also fits into the theme of destiny and fixed points in parallel universes.
I'm sorry for my post, I obviously didn't think it through. I saw an idea and jumped to conclusions. Next time, if I get an idea, I'll think it through thoroughly before posting.