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Hey there, Mainframe! I'm a bureaucrat over on the Titanfall Wiki and I've recently been trying to implement your Template:Games addition over on the wiki (as long as you don't mind), and I seem to have ran into a problem. I've implemented the coding from Games, Games/Icons, Common.css, Common.js, and Wikia.css (all links lead to the Titanfall Wiki's counterpart), however, when I add the template to an article, nothing shows up.
I'm currently just trying to make sure the template works in the first place instead of worrying about all the customization options, and I've looked over the coding and didn't see many issues. I'm not sure if you were involved in the creation of this template, but I'm curious to know if I'm missing something or if there's another issue? If you could let me know, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks! NinjaFatGuy (talk) 23:41, February 11, 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've noticed some of the broken issues with the template on this wiki, but when I insert all the known coding and templates over on the Titanfall Wiki, the template doesn't show up at all which is pretty strange. So I assume I must be missing something. And thanks, I'll definitely check out the template you linked, thanks for the help! NinjaFatGuy (talk) 22:43, February 12, 2019 (UTC)
BioShock weapons Final Edit
Good news, I checked What Links Here and it turns out that most pages use the redirect link for the weapons pages, with the captalized "W". If I counted right, only 6 pages linked to the pages with a small "w".
So the work is done, thank you for the effort you were willing to do for this.
Talk:Andrew Ryan Edit
Hello Mainframe98. Yesterday by mistake I had changed the language of the page Talk:Andew Ryan. I wanted ask if the Andrew Ryan's birthday is know
EDIT: Thanks for the answer.
Hi, it's me again. I would like to know, when I have to give the same reference to 2 or more lines, how can I make the more legible reference name?
Ok, I understood. Thanks for your answer :)
RE: La Vie En Rose Edit
Wow! I didn't realize there were that many versions of the song recorded. Paris is without a doubt the most detailed area of any BioShock level! Thanks a lot! these are great and you couldn't have used a better word for the multi-recording than "spectacle" (It is even a bit overwhelming :D ). I think every recording should be added to the Paris page (except for the multi-recording of course), but the question is in what manner. I think the best way is to add them to the Behind the Scenes section, using the same format as the one used for Brigid Tenenbaum's unused lines from BioShock 2, or what do you think?
Hi, I did a few attemts to add the soundfiles to the Paris page in a way we discussed, but failled missurably, nothing will work. Coding is not really my forte. Would you mind giving it a shot whenever you have the time?
You are one great person, you know. Why? I don’t know, I’m just a nice and idiotic person. Anyways, you are one great person. My idiocy is quite obvious, isn’t it? Sincerly(I’m new to Wiki), OBot321.
Admin Action requestEdit
User МХК46 (talk) edited/vandalized the pages for Sander Cohen, Frank Fontaine and Andrew Ryan with something about a bogus character named Lt Smith having a unique model in BioShock. Not sure what should be done with him (stern talk to or punishment) but I know we don't need that nonsense here. CC to Unownshipper (talk). sm --Solarmech (talk) 12:53, May 3, 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry I thought it was another attempt to screw with us by inserting a "fake" character in to the wiki. Glad it was an honest mistake. sm --Solarmech (talk) 17:48, May 3, 2019 (UTC)
I understood the reason, but because of the minor edits, do i have to lift the house up to my ears? (Sorry)
P.S. I esk, next time write a little shorted, and then translate for a long time.
Your Wiki Manager Edit
Hi Mainframe98! My name is Shrev, and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager for BioShock Wiki. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, styling, infoboxes, templates, etc., please feel free to contact me on my talk page, or on Discord at Shrev64#0089. Shrev64 (Talk page) 17:49, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
Email from me Edit
"BioShock series" page Edit
Hey there, just wanted to let you know that I created a draft page for the series; the draft is in my sandbox. This page is intended to give new visitors to both the series and wiki a good overview of the series, including games, DLC, and novels. It's inspired by a similar page on Wikipedia. Due to my little experience with the series (it's still in the backlog!), I've tried filling in the sections as best as I could using information on the individual pages, but I just wanted to make you aware of it. Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions; otherwise I'll go ahead and make the page with what the draft has. Thanks! -- Shrev64 (Talk page) 02:48, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback, it's much appreciated. I made the changes that you suggested and the changelog can be viewed here. I've also asked Unownshipper and Shacob for their feedback. -- Shrev64 (Talk page) 23:07, February 9, 2020 (UTC)
Is everything alright buddy?
- Damn what a mess. I don't know if those were people or bots. I hoped they got banned. Might have to consider locking the page if it keeps on happening. :( sm--Solarmech (talk) 18:45, February 13, 2020 (UTC)
Main Page changes Edit
Hey there, I wanted to bring about a proposal to making some potentially significant changes to the Main Page. This is mostly focused on the main portal sections that also doubles as navigation for the various different subcategories within each game. While it is admittedly pretty neat and cool, quite frankly, as someone who hasn't really played the series before, it is a bit overwhelming and a bit cumbersome to navigate. Not to mention that they are a bit outdated thanks to the excess use of
div tags. Not to mention a few bugs: Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 Image 4 Additionally, a more fleshed out welcome notice may be necessary for new readers.
Generally, to make navigation easier, you try to do get to the content in the least amount of clicks as possible. One of the ideas I had was either keeping the main portal, but having it then link to each game's category (i.e. Category:BioShock 2). Alternatively, instead of presenting games, the main portal could present categories, such as Category:Characters, Category:Locations, etc., accompanied with a representative image. I made a mockup of the former here. Additionally in the mockup is a welcome section that gives the reader a brief introduction of what the BioShock series is and it also links to the series page as a quick landing point for people wanting a quick overview of the series.
Now, to the main thing - despite the tone of my message so far, I want to enunciate that these aren't any sort of mandatory requirements or anything like that. They're friendly suggestions, at best. I understand how important main pages are to wikis and I can also understand any sort of apprehension that may be present towards a relatively random outsider suggesting improvements to the main page. I'm not here to impose anything, but I did want to suggest potential improvements and potential ways to implement them. The main goal is to simply make the navigation a little easier for new readers. If you want to go a completely different direction, I'm absolutely fine with that, but I do recommend some modification to the portal issue. Of course, it's up to you at the end of the day, and I'm open to all feedback and suggestions regarding this. Let me know what you think. Thanks! ((Thread on Shacob's wall, Thread on Unownshipper's wall) -- Shrev64 (Talk page) 05:39, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback! To streamline communication, I replied to your feedback on my talk page. Thanks. -- Shrev64 (Talk page)
Merged Mistake Edit
Hi, I just "merged" Charlie Lydecker with Moses Lydecker as well as the talk page and for some reason, the page count went from 2,492 to 2,493. I made both Charlie's and its talk page into redirects, so shouldn't it be 2,491?
I think I did something wrong.
PS. Thank you for your input on Ryan the Lion and Peter the Parasite as well as the multiplayer footstep, I will be taking appropriate actions towards them.
I did have a couple of questions unrelated to the main page. One of which concerned if the wiki was open to enabling Discussions. It would essentially a place where fans of BioShock - not just editors - could converse and interact about the series. It wouldn't conflict with the wiki's already existing content, rather it would be a social extension to the wiki. Obviously, this is a bit of a different feature so I am very interested in hearing the wiki staff's opinions about this feature. If you have any questions about it, please let me know, and I can try to answer them.
My second question is regarding the wiki nav (what I call it, anyways. MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation). Namely, would you be interested in adding BioShock: The Collection into the nav? I thought of this because with the Switch version coming out this month, many readers will try to navigate to it, so having it in the wiki's navigation would probably help with that. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. -- Shrev64 (Talk page)
- As you've probably noticed by now, I updated the main page; I created Module subpage templates and have categorized them into the existing Main portal templates. I didn't want to overwrite the existing templates in case there were any issues or content changes that you all wanted to make; if it's easier to have the existing templates' contents replaced by the new ones instead of having new templates, let me know and I can go ahead with that. Otherwise, the main page is all set!
- Good question about Discussions. You are correct; Discussions won't remove access to the DPL-style forums, only the threaded-version of Forums.
- I didn't make any changes to the wiki-nav but I experimented with it a bit and have my proposed changes here. Basically, I would move the BioShock Infinite board game into its own list under "Other", which would make room for The Collection, as keeping the board game in its current list will cause it to not display due to too many contents. I didn't want to remove any existing items from the wiki-nav so I felt that this was the best compromise. Let me know what you think, and you or I can implement whatever you think is best. Thanks. -- Shrev64 (Talk page)
An experiment to help grow your wiki’s engagement! Edit
Hello! We’ve been analyzing what makes people spend more time on wikis and we’ve identified something. It’s comments! Having comments enabled on a wiki gives it a boost to the time people spend on the pages and engage with the wiki.
We would like to enable comments on your wiki to help it grow as part of an experiment.
This will not happen if you don’t agree with trying this out! It’s entirely up to you!
We believe that this experiment will help your wiki and if you have any problems along the way we can always roll back and disable comments. So, what do you think? Are you interested in trying this with us? We’d love to work with you to help grow your community!
- Hey Mainframe, hope you're doing well. I thought for convenience we'd just discuss this topic on your page, if you don't mind. Frankly, I'm not sold. While there's a case to be made that turning on Comments boosts participation, I don't believe it increases meaningful engagement. I'm on a few Wikis and, if you'll pardon the generalization, it seems like the kind of "comments" that are posted are "OMG Jasmine Jolene is SO HAWT" or "Sinclair Spirits was SUPER scary moment click like if you agree" or "Kashmir Restaurant was an inside job."
- I know that seems like I'm underestimating the contributions of visitors, but I feel like our regulars communicate effectively via the Talk Pages already and newcomers are made to feel comfortable using them too. Additionally, creating a Topic under an article's Talk helps organize the subjects people might want to talk about and add onto while Comments are more disjointed; a visitor has to go searching though them to find a discussion pertaining to their query, if they do that at all.
- This is just my take though, let me know what you think. Same goes for any of our other editors who're reading this and have input.
- Unownshipper (talk) 22:05, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
- I feel exactly the same. We've had some amazing investigative work done on our talk pages, something I feel would not be possible to the same degree if we had comments instead. Any kind of more content-oriented participation would be better suited to Help:Discussions in my opinion. —Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 06:56, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
- If you want my opinion (probably don't) this "comments page" idea is not a good one. People's comments don't often mean anything and won't add any new information to the wiki. Worse, we will certainly get off color and off topic comments being made and it will require people to waste time cleaning things up. The Talk Pages we already have work just fine. sm--Solarmech (talk) 10:24, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to intrude, as I'm neither part of the staff of this wiki nor no longer an active editor here, but I feel the need to chime in as an admin of other wikis. Both Unknownshipper and Mainframe98 illustrated well the issue with comments on wikis. As of matter of fact, the Hollow Knight wiki's staff and I decided to turn of Comments last month.
- For the past year, the rest of the HK wiki and I have been focused on improving both that wiki's content and formatting for the purpose of improving our visitors' experience. We've also been faced with the need to moderate Comments, as they were starting to get filled with more jokes, memes, and other unhelpful comments than actual suggestions of improvements. Some would just use the wiki to leave random comments on the most pages they could (like 10 comments in 1 hour), even commenting on year old posts.
- We already have a functional Discord server serving as an efficient communication tool between staff, any editors or simply viewers and even members of translated versions of our wiki. Yet, we felt the need to keep the Comments for those rare helpful inputs. We made an announcement to recruit a moderator, and only got one person in the entire wiki's community fitting the profile. That person was not enough. And so last month, we took the heavy decision to shut down Comments and apply stricter rules to Discussions. We faced criticism from a part of our community, but we felt it was the right choice to make.
- Coincidentally, I discovered yesterday the Mario Wiki's own way to illustrate the problems with both Comments and Discussion on FANDOM's wikis: What MarioWiki is not and Stop talking, start helping!
- I hope you'll find my inputs helpful on this situation. I do understand that the BioShock wiki right has less activity than it used to be, but with the lack of proper moderation tools from FANDOM's side, I feel Comments are not worth the effort. Pauolo (talk) 10:21, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
- Btw, I think you overlooked how the lack of activity on this wiki may be due to the fact that BioShock is more of a niche series, and the last proper release was 4 years ago. No amount of social platforms enabled on this wiki would rekindle its visitors influx more than the release of a new game, or any other form of media. Don't consider this a personal attack at FANDOM's staff or you, but honestly, overlooking that fact is rather lacking on your part. Pauolo (talk) 10:27, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
- I knew the day would come when this would be a subject of discussion and thus I'm prepared. My answer is without a doubt, 100%, no arguing about it, stone-cold, a hard NO!
- I'm glad you all seem to be on the same page. The easiest way to sum up why is just by saying: YouTube comment section. I really don't get why they are pushing to make Wikia into social media. I've always viewed Wikia as Wikipedia (a encyclopedia/knowledge base) for fictional universes, which I think most people do.
- I really don't get what can be gained from this. Why would we want this kind of traffic on a wiki and why even keep score? Most people come to wikis to look up codes and learn about the lore, not to speak their mind. I've seen wikis that use the comments and it is a mess. I for one couldn't care less for these comments sections and its comments, it is just random people sharing their subjective opinion on things (yes I see the irony, but you know what I mean) and how on earth is that suitable for a wiki? There is nothing good about filling the recent wiki activity page with comments like "OMG Jasmine Jolene is SO HAWT", "Biosock 2 is the best game in the series, don't @ me", or "I had a dream last night that I was married to the Quarter-Can of Ionic Gel XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD", hiding actual page edits or discussions about wiki-related subjects. Everyone has an opinion and this is not the right place to share them. Go to Reddit, the 2K Forums or even YouTube if you wanna speak your mind. This is just a breeding ground for flame wars and just overall pointless comments. I have made my opinion on this quite clear on a blog post I made (МХК46, if you read this, we're cool, don't worry about it). Just imagine if Wikipedia had a comment section for each article.
- Personally, I think the whole comment option should be removed from FANDOM completely.