Welcome[edit source]


Hi, welcome to the BioShock Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Atlas page.

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Feel free to ask an administrator or a featured user, or leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Willbachbakal (talk) 19:51, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome[edit source]


Hi, welcome to the BioShock Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the User talk:EDlTOR page.

Need some help finding your way around? Here are some good places to look:

New to editing?

Feel free to ask an administrator or a featured user, or leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Willbachbakal (talk) 22:51, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Rapture Inhabitants[edit source]

I would really appreciate it if you would please not add the Rapture Inhabitants page to each character in the BioShock series. The article is unnecessary as is and, frankly, I think it should be deleted as the information covered on it is discussed on other pages such as the Rapture Civil War, Rapture Storyline, and Splicer pages. All the information on the Rapture Inhabitants page is already on the BioShock Characters, BioShock 2 Characters, and BioShock 2 Multiplayer Characters pages, so it's doubly useless.

Rather than just undoing ALL of your edits and get into a lengthy edit/re-edit encounter, I'd rather you and I discuss this first and get your OK.

Unownshipper (talk) 06:45, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

I agree 

I quess the porpose was to show the state of the person ( if they where Splicers, dead, Big Daddy etc) but then again you can see all that from the persons "page". I was also a  bit confused about this, as you can see in the talk section on Rapture Inhabitants.

Shacob (talk) 12:15, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but thanks for trying to rein it in on the Talk Page. As you said it is best to restrict that info to the citizen's articles. I think the Inhabitants page is going to reorganized to be more about the society as a whole than the individual people since that info is all ready under the "Characters" pages.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:23, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

It's a hell hole[edit source]

Look at our wikia : it's a hell hole. Although lots of people contributes many informations about BaS 2. But some of them puts every information about BaS 2 in every wikia page about Bioshock 1,2. I know it's a multiverse and BaS 2 is connected with Bioshock 1, but it's a rash action. Furthermore, a few stubborn people are trying to put 'wrong' & 'baseless' informations to page. When I undid that page, they repeat the same thing!

Pawn of Atlas (talk) 13:25, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

I had a clue that this would happend, random people just jumping in and adding whatever they want to or what they to, there own oppinion see as right. I will help, trying to fix this Wikia!

Shacob (talk) 17:34, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm waiting for things to settle because I don't want to loose my temper on rectifying each and every edits anons and other users see fit to make. However I have something else to occupy myself: I got my hand on the localization texts of BioShock 2. That means I can finally add all the removed diaries and radio messages I could previously only access in any other languages other than English. I can assure you those comes by the dozen, and I also take the opportunity to check the transcripts we have on the wiki. Pauolo (talk) 16:52, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Good job, Pauolo. Go for it!

Pawn of Atlas (talk) 17:09, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

I understand, but I think the worst of "A Wikia contributor" is starting to end but there's still really annoying posts every day. In my opinion the pages that has been most "Edited wrongly" is: ElizabethSally and Burial at Sea - Episode 2, People that wont accept that Elizabeth is dead and adding the picture of a little sister getting married from the end of Bio1 to Sally.

Shacob (talk) 17:32, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

I've seen worse with the release of Infinite, even before it. Pauolo (talk) 19:22, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

yaix, I can imagine, glad I wasn't here then :p Shacob (talk) 19:39, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Those People who denied the Canon of Series (Both Bioshock 1 and BaSE2 is 100% Canon and very Connected to Bioshock 1) are likely Strong Sign of Fan Discontinuity and it Mainly due *Spolier* Elizabeth give Atlas the code to get Jack into Rapture was Obvious Plot Point for Series. Chad Robert (Talk) 19:57, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I get that it might be a little to much to understand and the fact that with out BaSE2, BioShock wouldn't have happened. Shacob (talk) 20:28, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: The Rapture Storyline[edit source]

You said Ken Levine tweeted about Burial at Sea being part of the original BioShock canon. I haven't found it, but if it's out there then it would confirm a lot of plot points. Would you kindly link to the tweet? :3 --Willbachbakal (talk) 22:28, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Of Course

Shacob (talk) 22:34, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Abuse log?[edit source]

I just found my abuse log and apparently I abused this wikia, it says:Actions taken:

Tag; Filter description: RTE errors

and I have no idea what it means or what I have done, it would be great if someone could tell me so I can avoid these mistakes.

Shacob (talk) 16:57, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Why are you writing that on your talk page? Go ask User:Willbachbakal or any usually present admin, they sure will answer you. Pauolo (talk) 17:53, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
Okey, thank you.
Shacob (talk) 17:55, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Images[edit source]

I appreciate that you upload all those concept arts, but can you categorize them as well please? (for example, "BioShock Infinite Concept Arts") And add to them a license for images from 2K or official sources. Pauolo (talk) 20:21, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I just relized it myself :p

Shacob (talk) 20:22, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, should Burial at sea images be labeled as BioShock Infinite Concept art or Burial at Sea - Episode1/2 or both?

Shacob (talk) 20:27, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's safe to class them under "Burial at Sea Concept Arts" since the second episode reuses assets from the first. Usually I separate both episodes when it comes to categorize pages, but since weapons and Plasmids/Virgors are relatively the same in both episodes, regrouping them isn't a problem. Pauolo (talk) 20:37, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, there is no category called "Burial at Sea concept arts"?

Shacob (talk) 20:41, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think the few concept arts I might have uploaded should be in "Burial at Sea - Episode 1 Images" and "Burial at Sea - Episode 1 Images." My bad. ^^' Pauolo (talk) 20:46, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Abuse Log[edit source]

Apologies for that. The abuse log was created before my time as admin, and I'm not as familiar with the code as I should be. What usually brings it up in cases like this is when you edit in RTE (the default editing layout) and use a macro that messes up the underlying source code. If you want to be absolutely sure that this doesn't happen, I recommend you go to My Preferences -> Editing and under "Preferred editor" select "Source editor", which will show you the source code. It may take some getting used to, but it's ultimately a far better way of editing, since you have more control over how you want to modify the layout.

I will check this in more detail, and verify which specific error tripped the bot. Thank you for notifying me of this, and apologies for the mishap. --Willbachbakal (talk) 00:03, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Shacob (talk) 22:32, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Splicer Appearance[edit source]

Saw your edit on the Jacob Norris page. I made the "Appearance" sections on the Splicer pages for BioShock. I'm currently working on the same for BioShock 2 (annoyingly, the characters don't actually stop moving when you freeze the game with Console Commands in Bio2, so it's taking a while to capture them in just the perfect pose). I'd be happy to help you work on an Appearance section for the BioShock 2 Multiplayer characters when I finish with the normal Splicers.

Unownshipper (talk) 21:56, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

That would be great, thank you! I think we still need to figure out how we are going to format this and it really hard to find images of the Multiplaer characters, especially when they are Spliced. But I looked on the Danish BioShock page and found almost everyone of the characters non-spliced model (except for Blanche and Zigo). so that will help (here's the link)

For the format, i'd like to do something simulare to what you have done to the other Splicer models.

Shacob (talk) 08:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Presenting the Rapture Citizen[edit source]

You won't believe what I found.  

I've just made it to Outer Persephone on BioShock 2 on my Mac. I've been using the Console Commands to fly around, take screen shots, and pause the game (that's how I was able to get that image of Sofia Lamb). I was observing the models in the Little Sister dream world, the "Partygoers" as we've all been calling them. Later, after completing the mission and getting Eleanor Lamb her Big Sister suit, I returned to the "fever dream" area. To my surprise, she teleported in and walked around with me. Then to my horror/amusement she started mercilessly attacking the Partyogers.

Now here's the really interesting thing, they exhibit the characteristics of Splicers. When she attacks them, they go all rag doll. When you check their bodies, they sometimes have loot on them. Most exciting: they're named. When I approached them, they're labeled "Rapture Citizen."

With all this new information, I'm going to add a page for them as a Splicer model and add some pictures of them.

Unownshipper (talk) 20:59, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

This is amazing, just a great discovery! and even named and to think no one noticed this before! I asume they where named for the cut prelude.

Blue Ribbon Glitch[edit source]

Shacob (talk) 13:40, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, LtWheat here. Just wanted to ping you quick about some of the last few changes to the Bugs/Glitches section on the Blue Ribbon Challenges page. I was the original author of the one about Wave 15 on Emporia Arcade, but that was before I made an account. Good to see someone came up with an explanation. I'll see if I can get some footage; this glitch happened to me the very first time I played this wave so hopefully it won't be too hard to get it to activate again.

Also I was playing on Raven's Dome last night and ran into a weird glitch where the enemies wouldn't attack me. I recorded it and will post it/write about it later.


Thats great news! Would you mind adding on what platform this glitch happend? if you dont know how: simply add { { platforms|Xbox|Ps3|Pc|Mac } } (with out the space and only on the platform that it is confirmed on) Infront of the text so it would look like this:

  •  Icon mac.pngInformation of a bug that accured in the BioShock series.

Thank you.

Shacob (talk) 00:31, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Ryan Security[edit source]

Those are some interesting images of Ryan Security. Where did you find them/are there any more?

Unownshipper (talk) 21:44, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there's some more from Burial at Sea of the Splicers, imprinting laboratories, posters etc. I just didn't have the time to upload those at the time.

Its by Robb Waters.

I found them thanks to our friend "Digital Frontiers" who have made a whole section called "The People behind BioShock"  where links to many portfolios of the people that worked on BioShock:

--Shacob (talk) 22:00, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Recent Edits[edit source]

That was a brilliant catch on your part about the steam works and Siren Song studios. I can't believe that NONE of us caught it before in the art book (I'm kind of kicking myself for not noticing it on my own). Good on ya. Thanks also for adding the online image of the concept art and not scanning it from the book.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:54, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm also surprised considering that I've read the Art book several times before and never noticed it. Shacob (talk) 16:39, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

I had a question regarding the two recent edits you made to the BioShock Removed Content and Mask pages. I haven't seen evidence of the "bat mask" or "Mommie Dearest" thing, but then again, you have noticed stuff we've all missed before. Could you confirm where you found this concept art?

Unownshipper (talk) 22:44, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
I answered it here :)
Talk:BioShock Removed Content
Shacob (talk) 22:47, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

And thank you for your suggestions and the creation of the "Pages that should be made" section on the Talk Page. I hope that in the future more people will recommend new pages this way. Originally, I wasn't a fan of the idea of having articles devoted to small topics like masks, sports, or the news, but after thinking about it, I think each of these pages have turned out pretty well.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:55, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you and I agree, it has turned out really well. After I made the suggestion list I also had that thought but i'd say its better to include them all in one page, instead of making pages for things with almost no info.
Shacob (talk) 21:31, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Choosing Just the Right Words[edit source]

Thanks again for your contributions to the blog.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:16, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Just glad I could help.

Shacob (talk) 01:09, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

The Iceman Cometh[edit source]

Shacob, you never should've edited that article. You'll see that it messed up the audio link. I got the same problem when I edited The End of the Line. ZanyDragon (talk) 03:10, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

Oh I just added the page broken file page tag when I saw that it was broken, I don't know what happened to it. 

So this has happen before? Does anyone know what causes this? --Shacob (talk) 03:14, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

The { {Main|game} }[edit source]

Someone correctly pointed out much earlier that it's technically against the syle guideline to include a link in the "Heading 2" text size. Usually main sections (like History, Game Titles, Maps, New Discoveries, etc.) are in the "Heading 2" size in Source Mode. Instead of adding the link right there, we add the link to the game using the { {Main|game} } template so that we abide by the policy.

However, we have a little wiggle room with this guideline. For example, on the Welcome to Rapture article, you'll notice that stuff under the "Heading 3" or higher size (like the Bathysphere Station, Kashmir Restaurant, Transit Hub, or Footlight Theater) are linked to their respective pages. Hope this answers your question.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:53, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Okey, thank you. The question first came in mind when I did an edit on Rapture Radio, when I added BioShock 2 Multiplayer, Minerva's Den and Burial at Sea - Episode 1, I added the main page for each game and it just looked odd to me to have three main pages under each other(and when the section is so little), what would you command in a case like that? --Shacob (talk) 02:19, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Multiplayer Rankings[edit source]

A while ago, I talked about the rankings from Bioshock 2 Multiplayer being possibly put into some kind of timeline? And you replied with your opinions on the subject matter and the possibility of it, from the character rankings to player rankings to loading quotes. I wanted to ask if you, and possibly other wikia members, if we would like to discuss it to see if we can have something near coherant to put onto the wikia? Whether a talk page to avoid giving away anything personal. Tricksteroffools (talk) 16:38, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Of course! just start it up again on a talk page and i'll be there.

Shacob (talk) 14:01, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Mansfield[edit source]

Is this a real character? I can't remember this individual. Can you tell us some details?

Unownshipper (talk) 03:36, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

He's really a minor character, I didn't even know he excisted untill this wikia constriber made the page: The only info about him is in the tear in Bank of the Prophet (the one Lady Comestock sends you to find.) Hes the one that told Fink to have the Lutece's killed by order from Comestock.

See the tear here. 4:55

Shacob (talk) 11:05, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

The Hamilton[edit source]

The Hamilton is a building in Town Square (or whatever that area with the King Pawn is called) of Pauper's Drop. I've been working on making a page for that part of the district. I think that anything that could be said about the Hamilton could go on that page rather than making an individual one for the Hamilton.

Unownshipper (talk) 00:05, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Thats right! yeah there is not much in there except for a PttP machine and an office.

Shacob (talk) 18:01, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Possible Trolling[edit source]

Thanks for letting me know! I banned both users. --Willbachbakal (talk) 22:01, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Good to hear

Shacob (talk) 20:11, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Mercury Suites Image[edit source]

Mercury Suites.

Mercury Suites.

You mentioned on a previous edit that you saw something odd about this image, but didn't state what was off. You just replaced it in the BioShock 2 Multiplayer Locations page citing it as an "early" image. I wanted to ask why you think it is one?

Unownshipper (talk) 04:53, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Its the two bridges on the second floor leading to the elevator. On that picture it is some kind of white structure. While in game, it is a red/brown structure holding up some plants. See the post card image, its quite clear there.

Shacob (talk) 16:57, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now I see what you mean. After going back and revisiting the level it's clear that the final bridge is a metalwork walkway while the one in the original image is lined with stone walls. Excellent catch Shacob.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:20, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Now I'm just wondering how User:Radical Edward2 got the picture (?)
Shacob (talk) 20:11, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Thank You[edit source]

Thanks so much for your kind words regarding my request for adminship, they're very much appreciated.

Unownshipper (talk) 07:15, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Multiplayer Images[edit source]

Hey, Shacob, I just wanted to contact you and ask if you, me and possibly Pauolo could possibly plan a game session (BS2 Multiplayer) so we can take screenshots/ photos of the maps, the characters and possibly add a few action shots of characters fighting one another for the wikia? Please let me and Pauolo (If he agrees) know if you'd like to continue with this initiative. Tricksteroffools (talk) 07:42, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Sadly, I only own it for PlayStation 3 and I don't think I'll be much help on that. Well this idea didn't go as planed :/ I still hope we can get something done in the near future.

--Shacob (talk) 18:29, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Old Man Winter BaS sections[edit source]

Yes I think the page should have different sections for each episode of BaS, since the gameplay and the plasmid's upgrades (if I remember right) changed from one DLC to the other. Pauolo (talk) 17:47, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Episode 1 is almost done.

Shacob (talk) 20:58, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

New Predule Shot[edit source]

Hey Shacob, I was wondering where you got that new shot of the Ryan Industries Labs hallway, did you get it from a source that we can get more from? AndyRyan (talk) 13:55, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

I got it from Karina Riesgo's portfolio. And sadly there's no other images from the cut prelude (or what I can find). But there is a better version of the one I added, on a slideshow, but I couldn't figure out how to get the image from there.

Shacob (talk) 03:10, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Unownshipper's Adminship[edit source]

It's official, Unownshipper's an admin now. I'm an ass for taking so long to validate his request, but better (super) late then never.

Thank you for leaving a message on my talk page regarding this, by the way. I've been a lot less active here than I used to be, and your post reminded me that his application was still pending. --Willbachbakal (talk) 08:43, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind words and support of my cause for Adminship. I wanted to say thanks initally after you posted on BioShock Wiki:Requests for user rights/Adminship requests, but chose to wait 'til this was over lest it seem political. Anywho, your reminder really set the wheels of motion spinning, I really appreciate it. Thanks again my friend.

Unownshipper (talk) 23:03, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
No Problem :)
Shacob (talk) 16:51, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Ban Request[edit source]

It is very cold right now. Regardless, I've blocked the bot, I plan on deleting the blog post as well. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:46, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Ritziest[edit source]

I see, thanks for clarifying.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:45, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Duplicate Image[edit source]

Thanks for bringing that duplicate image of the Fontaine Futuristics (Level) lobby to everyone's attention, I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. It's been taken care of.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:53, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

That's good to hear!

Shacob (talk) 17:34, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Animal Images[edit source]


I'm both very pleased and slightly revolted by the animal test subjects you added. I'm glad we have these images, but there's just something so heartbreaking about seeing a dog (even a cgi dog) in pain like that. Can you share your source where you found them?

Unownshipper (talk) 05:48, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yes dead animals, in particular dogs, make me really uncomfortable (as well as this). Of course, they both are from Peter Anderson's portfolio: and so is the "Voxy Lady". I always tend to add the source in the image description but that I get is easy to miss ;)

Shacob (talk) 23:06, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Recent Images[edit source]

It's really great that you found those images from the creator's sites. Thanks also for linking back to them in the image descriptions. The diverse Little Sisters are a particularly interesting find! Oh what could have been.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:31, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

No problem, thanks again for posting them.
Unownshipper (talk) 21:44, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Tommy Gun[edit source]

Yes it is. It was decided to have that weapon featured on Machine Gun (Rapture) since technically it's a machine gun made in Rapture, as opposed to the Machine Gun (Columbia). Pauolo (talk) 19:34, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks[edit source]

Thanks for the compliment. It's always nice to be appreciated! :D {{SUBST:Template:Signatures/Verantha}} 19:05, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Months?[edit source]

You are right, I must have broken it when I was fixing something. Thanks for reporting, because I wouldn't have noticed it. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 06:10, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

Jocelyn Blue[edit source]

Congrats on your efforts to get Jocelyn Blue listed as Evelyn Klein's voice actress. How did you identify her as Klein's VA and how did you manage to convince IMDb?

Unownshipper (talk) 02:57, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining that and for the initiative. I'm glad they accepted your evidence.

Unownshipper (talk) 06:52, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Brigid Tenenbaum[edit source]

Holy Hell! What an amazing find! This sheds a whole new light on Brigid Tenenbaum, I'm so glad you found this. At the same time, I'm wondering why are we only hearing about this now? Why do you think there wasn't even the slightest hint of her autism in the game? Both of the articles you found are from April 2015. I can't help but wonder why he never mentioned this sooner. Do you think this is a bit of retconning character into her? The cynical side of me says yes, but Levine doesn't (fully) strike me as the person who'd do that. Your thoughts?

Unownshipper (talk) 05:10, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Holy Hell, "tease" is right! And that Twitter post! What does that even mean!? Is Brigid Tenenbaum a descendant of the Luteces? Seems unlikely. First there was "Rapture Prime," now this. Oy! And while I truly do appreciate positive and powerful representations of Autistic figures, I still take issue with there being no precursor to this in the game. I suppose one could say that young Tenenbaum was sent to the camps for her Autism, but I always thought it was because of her Jewish heritage or her Balarusian citizenship.
I'm just saying, it wouldn't surprise me if next year we learn that Julie Langford is Catholic, Bill McDonagh lost a little brother to WWII, or Yi Suchong has a hatred of schnauzers because of a childhood dog bite.

Unownshipper (talk) 02:54, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Template:Information[edit source]

To add a new entry to Template:Information, you also have to add anything before the equals sign (=) to Template:Approved image, I went ahead and already did that. Now you can use Poster as a topic. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 05:50, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Minerva's Den Splicer Images[edit source]

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That was very kind of you to compile those Splicer images. I'd always wanted to compose a collection for Heady and Buttons but had long abandoned any hope that I'd get to thanks to Minerva's Den not being available for Mac. I'd be happy to make an Appearance image of these characters after I complete the ones for BioShock 2 (I swear I'm almost done!).

Beggars should not be choosers, and I really don't wish to sound ungrateful, but I have a few recommendations. From your link (, let me just say that images 2, 5, 10, 14, and 23 are excellently lit. I can tell that somehow you were able to implement the Console Commands PlayersOnly and ToggleHUD to get these images, so can you lure these Splicers to a well-lit area, freeze them in place, and retake the shots? Also, notice how in the image to the right, the camera is zoomed in enough that the top of the Splicer's head and the bottom of their feet totally fill the frame.

This will ensure that the viewer can see all the details that go into the models' outfit and appearance. Also, since you seem to have control over this, it'll be up to you to capture all the different model iterations. Buttons has at least 3 models and Heady has at least 2, but are there more? I know Heady has several different hairstyles available and Buttons can wear glasses so if you can get examples of these different accessories that'd be superb.

I know this is a tall order, but I'm very excited at the possibilities.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:03, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

I'm very happy to hear that. If I may add to my seemingly unending list of demands, see if you can turn Shadow Mapping off in your menu options. That'll eliminate the shadows on the floor and perhaps on the model itself. You're right about the Heady's hair, but it seems like the outfits in image 14 & 15 have different colorations, though this might just be a trick of the light.
A lot of your images are in a very interesting resolution ratio: 1152 × 864. I've never seen that configuration before. It's absolutely wonderful if you can manuever the models so that they're in front of an interesting or significant background, though this is, of course, not required. It's the lighting and the model that matter most. Good luck with your photos

Unownshipper (talk) 04:09, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Regardless of how you're getting them, I'm just stoked and grateful that we're finally able to get recurring images from Minerva's Den. I adore JLBiggs and his GORGEOUS images, but oftentimes his aesthetic leans more towards the artistic than what this site really needs. He's often captured the open loneliness of Minerva's Den, but it's only been very recently that he's posted individual, well-lit pictures of specific Splicers from that game.
I certainly don't mean to bash him. He's been a generous supporter of the series, this site, and the contributors on it. It's just that his goals are separate from ours and he has a tall order of fans asking him for different shots from different games. It's nice that we have you to get some of these images that we need instead. Take all the time you need.

Unownshipper (talk) 19:06, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

A certain madman once said, "the burden of the artist is to capture..."
I would have finished the Appearance section for the BioShock 2 Splicers half a year ago if I were happy with simply getting the figures in frame, but like you said, we should never be happy with second best. Our beloved site calls for better, and so too do our own artistic standards. Take months, take years, I'm not going anywhere.
That's really awesome that you'll be getting an even better computer. The resolution will undoubtedly look great. Interestingly, I was thinking about possible title names for the final images for Buttons and Heady. I haven't come up with much for the Headys, so far only "Working Girls" and "Headcases" (the latter of which seems too obvious). For the Buttons, I've thought of "Nerd Herd," "Geek Squad," and "Hack Pack." If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

Unownshipper (talk) 17:11, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Reed Wahl[edit source]

I can't express how great it is that you found that mugshot. Stroke of genius! I'm especially happy as this furthers my User blog:Unownshipper/We're All Guilty: Audio Diary Portraits of BioShock theory. Good eye on you!

Unownshipper (talk) 04:03, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

You've done it again! The expression is too on point to be a coincidence. At the VERY least, they borrowed this woman's face for Nina Carnegie, though most everything else seems to have been redone. Find out as much info as you can on this woman and keep up the good work!

Unownshipper (talk) 04:09, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
For Nina Carnegie's inspiration, I'm sure we'll find something out. Finding Diane McClintock was a total fluke on my part, but I'm more convinced than ever that many diary portraits came from mugshots. I vaguely recall hearing that the developers got a hold of a old, book of mid-century mugshot photos from a trash can at a police precinct that was schedule for demolition, or something. If this is true, then we'll likely never see the sources as I doubt any of them were posted online. But for Bio2, it's a possibility. I'd post the image if I were you, it was your find.
On a tangentially related note, take a look at this website I came across: Small Town Noir. I haven't come across anyone from the BioShock series, but mugshots, back when people bothered to dress up, have an interesting beauty about them.

Unownshipper (talk) 19:07, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it, it is very interesting. I can't seem to get access to the "mess." Is the link accurate? I'd very much like to see what you've done.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:35, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Project proposal: Transitioning to more mobile-friendly infoboxes[edit source]

Hey there, hope all is well. I received a post on my talk page about transitioning the site to more mobile-friendly infoboxes and I was hoping you and some of the other devoted contributors would take a look at it and share your thoughts.

Unownshipper (talk) 23:11, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Prisoner image[edit source]

Hey. I noticed you added that concept of that prisoner in the Merged article. Well, its not really from that concept, but for a completely different scrapped enemy concept. They don't have a name, but in the Art of BioShock Infinite, they're scrapped ideas for enemies that are conceptually suppose to grow 9 feet after they eat a corpse(there's also concept art of a child and a Brute-like guy that are a part of this scrapped concept). Why? At the time,  developers were trying to figure out what kind of enemies to add in the game, and they were very loose on quantum mechanics being too much like BS1's genetic manipulation, that they tried to make earlier enemies work their abilities like that, which was why it was later scrapped(especially when a lot of it has nothing to do with the finished game's revision of its quantum mechanics ). I doubt any of these made it passed the concept art(in the same way those fish mutants in BS1 didn't go any further from the concept art). Anyways, I just wanted to point that out, but its great that you're finding the concept art.Evans0305 (talk) 07:00, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Support for my adminship request.[edit source]

Thanks for the support for my request for adminship. I really appreciate it! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:39, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Audio diary transcripts[edit source]

I cannot access Burial at Sea at the moment, but for all the other transcripts, double dashes are the standard, as they are used in-game. I'm not aware Burial at Sea is different, but I might be wrong. As it would not be consistent with other articles, I've reverted your edit. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 20:27, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

RE : Expression of Gratitude[edit source]

You're welcome! :) It was my pleasure to meet other people( you, Mainframe, Unknownshipper, Solarmech, Pauolo, etc ) who have passion for Bioshock series. Also, I thank you for categorizing screenshots I uploaded and helping low quality images clean-up jobs.Pawn of Atlas (talk) 18:18, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

Embedding Scripted events on relevant pages[edit source]

Hey Shacob, you mentioned your support for embedding Scripted Events on relevant pages on the Scripted Events (Burial at Sea) Talk Page. I outlined some concerns I had with the project on Mainframe98's Talk and I wanted to alert you to keep you in the loop.

Unownshipper (talk) 20:24, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Office Conflict[edit source]

Ordinary Splicer fight.

Thanks for your input. Regarding the Office Conflict Splicers, I think that actually is a Scripted Event for Minerva's Den. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in every time that event occurs, doesn't a Buttons model get blasted away by a Heady? If that's the case, then those models are specifically chosen to fill those roles. That consistency indicates that it is a "Scripted Event."

Compare that event with the Splicer battle from the Southern Mall. It's always a Houdini Splicer vs two Thuggish Splicers, but sometimes the Houdini is a Baby Jane while the Thuggish are Toastys or vice versa or it's three of the same model or some other combination like what's pictured. You see what I mean? It's that sort of randomness that separates a "Scripted Event" from an ordinary set up. Hope this helps.

Unownshipper (talk) 19:06, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Categories for Templates Request[edit source]

I've added the categories. You'll find them under category:Under Construction and category:Files with informative descriptions. They will automatically fill themselves later. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 07:10, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Judaism in BioShock[edit source]

I just read the Faith In Rapture – Ken Levine Shares Thoughts On Creating Authentic Diversity article you found. This is perhaps one of the most crucial and revealing pieces of information ever found about BioShock.

I am both thrilled and delighted that you've shared this with us, yet at the same time I'm confused and a little disappointed. The more I learn about Ken Levine, the more my attitude towards him has shifted wildly from good, to bad, and back to some happy medium. I respect the man, and am very appreciative for him gifting BioShock to the world. Still though, I have the following lingering feelings:

1) Why has it taken THIS LONG for this info to be revealed? Levine holds stuff back. That's fine, I'm glad to not have all the answers delivered in one fell swoop. However, it's been YEARS now. His coyness often reaches exasperating levels of annoyance.

What strikes me is that HE was the one that brought this up out of nowhere. Mike Futter posited about the number of Jewish characters in video games. He didn't directly ask Levine "who's Jewidh in Rapture?" Rather, Levine sought to answer Futter's question with little provocation. It's as if he'd wanted to tell the world this for years, got tired of waiting, and figured this was the best set up he was going to get to get.

2) Why wasn't this brought up IN THE GAME? This would've been seriously interesting, but Judaism is NEVER directly referenced anywhere. Why not have a Siddur prayer book (or a menorah) along with all of those confiscated Bibles in Neptune's Bounty?

Frankly, I find it a little prejudiced on Levine's part if we were just expected to assume all this stuff based on stereotypes. The Nazis sent all sorts of people to camps, how were we supposed to know it was b/c Brigid Tenenbaum was Jewish? Her family could've been Gypsy, associated with an opposing political party, Catholic, handicapped, or any other number of likely things. Were we supposed to guess Steinman and the Lutz's religion by their names? Sure, "Cohen" is a VERY Jewish name, but that doesn't mean a person, or their parents, practiced the religion, even in 20th Century America.

3) Why weren't these themes explored more in the game. The Steinman story makes so much sense! I only wish that theme had even been hinted at in the game, so that we could have made the connection ourselves rather than relying on Levine to straight up tell us after the fact. There can't be subtext with no text at all.

Whatsmore, the only hint of religion being something to be wary of come in the form of an anti-Christianity bent. From the anti-Catholic attitudes expressed by Ducky, to zealotry of Waders, and the warning against "the man in the Vatican" from the movie in the Bathysphere, Levine explores anti-Christian attitudes way more than any anti-Jewish sentiment (despite there being plenty of it in mid-20th Century America).

Sorry for going off on a tangent like that. Seriously, I'm very, very glad you found and shared this info with the site. I love it when we finally get some evidence to back up theories and expand backgrounds

Unownshipper (talk) 06:23, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Missing Icons for Plasmids from BioShock 2[edit source]

I've been playing around with Paint.Net and I have made icons for the BioShock 2 Plasmids which didn't have icons for level 2 and 3. I want to know if you think these images meet the requirements. You can view them here:

Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 19:07, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Bio 2 multiplayer models[edit source]

I'll check on your tip, though I will still look into one easier to achieve in order to be able to make instantaneous shots. Pauolo (talk) 20:04, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Congratulations![edit source]

Thanks! I've renamed the files. I'll replace a few of them later with higher resolution ones too. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 08:17, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
EDIT: I went through the uploads of that user and cleaned that up too. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 08:25, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to a discussion regarding changes on a few wiki pages[edit source]

I'm making this post to attract your attention towards this blog page: User blog:Pauolo/Name change and display of the removed content pages. This is an open discussion regarding the removed content pages of the wiki, for which I'd like to gather the largest possible number of active wiki editors. Feel free to share your thoughts in the comment section of the blog page. Pauolo (talk) 13:26, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

Infinite Images[edit source]

Hey Shacob!
Please visit my talk page and let me know if your are fine with the dimensions etc. --Bioexpander (talk) 22:06, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Shacob!
After about 10 hours of continous uploading and replacing work, I'm almost done with the Infinite images. The main game, Burial at Sea 1 & 2 are online. Clash in the Clouds will take some more time, but will come soon or later (depending on my free time).
Image descriptions are still on the todo list though...
--Bioexpander (talk) 22:24, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Shacob!
There is indeed something you could do for me: Add a need to be preocessed category to every (yes each and every single image) on this wiki. See Forum:Creating new categories for more detail (I will add more information as a little bit later) --Bioexpander (talk) 13:11, May 5, 2016 (UTC)
Info has been added to the Forum page! --Bioexpander (talk) 13:27, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

There is no need to be checked category yet.
I want to point out that my goal is to not-have mass categories. If there are a couple of images (like 5+) than they can get a seperate category. But they get a seperate category even there are less than 5 of them if they represent their own part of Columbia/Rapture (eg. a character, a shop, a weapon, a place, ... ). I would also prefer to so sort out categories like Category:Soldier's Field Images to their own level sub-districts to keep them well organised. A key to sort out all images is that ALL of them land in one category so none can be missed.
I have started sorting out Category:BioShock Infinite Character Images, Category:BioShock Infinite Weapon Images and Category:BioShock Infinite Enemy Images for some examples.
--Bioexpander (talk) 09:02, May 6, 2016 (UTC)
Hi Shacob! I have created Category:Unprocessed Files for all uploaded files.
Could you add all files that are currently on the wiki to this category. Could you also ensure that all files that get uploaded in the future land in this category? Another good thing would be if the new uploads do have an empty version of the Information template in the "Summery" section
--Bioexpander (talk) 20:23, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Shacob!
Yes, each and every file should be added to Category:Unprocessed Files‎. Images, audio files and (if there are some) videos - I know that there would be ~10'000 files in the category. All files should be moved, because it's not only about the images not using {{Information}}. It's also about moving them into a proper category and may replace or just delete them if tagged so. Some images I found on the wiki did not have any category at all - I'm sure some of them still don't! All the low quality images could be replaced and all the bad images which are tagged as to be deleted could be deleted.
--Bioexpander (talk) 22:14, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Shacob!
I just wanted to stop by to tell you that I have completed the Audio Diary/Voxophone and Kinetoscope/Need to know Theater Images. If you want some specific images of any BioShock title don't hesitate to contact me.
--Bioexpander (talk) 16:45, July 31, 2016 (UTC)
Did you think about something like this image?
I have not added it yet, since I don't know where you want to put it.
--Bioexpander (talk) 21:36, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Detailed Descriptions[edit source]

I'm trying to be more proactive in adding proper, detailed descriptions to the images I upload. Recently, I added some pictures made in conjunction with Pauolo. Can you take a glance at the description I added and let me know if it looks right?

Suresh Sheti's infobox image:

Unownshipper (talk) 01:52, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

The (Bural at Sea only) addition[edit source]

I was just wondering about what you said in reference to the (Multiplayer only) in the Rapture Metro page. I understand what you mean about canon but im just confused now about the Rapture Businesses page, As the Cabins of Arcadia in the Arcadia section have also been marked (Burial at Sea only). Is this fine for the business page or should it be changed to a reference?

There are a number of other businesses on the page that have been marked (Burial at Sea only) Night at the Kashmir (talk) 18:13, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

BioShock 2 Model Renders[edit source]

Hi, I just got Umodel to work with the files of BioShock 2, Protectors Trial, Minerva's Den and Multiplayer and I would like to know if there's something you'd like to see from those games that we don't have a model render yet. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 13:12, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Got the Dozer. From which angle(s) would you like to see it? Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 14:17, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
Here you go:
If the angle isn't entirely like you had in mind, then I can try that one again easily. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 14:31, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
Good to hear. Unfortunately, the sign from the Silk Lounge can't be extracted easily, as it has horrible black squares around it. I'll try to model it using Blender, but I don't have high hopes for that one. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 15:12, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
In what angle would you like to see the cardboard cutouts from Point Prometheus? Front or slightly angled? I've got both. No luck on the ADAM Vial yet however. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 15:45, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
The tank I encountered was empty. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 11:52, May 5, 2016 (UTC)
I'm assuming you already have an idea where to place the images, so feel free to place them where you'd like to see them. The cutout with the wooden stand is the original, I just provided a 'shopped one, because I thought it might be useful somewhere. I think for now using the one with the stand should be good. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 19:30, May 5, 2016 (UTC)
I can't seem to find the sign you're referring to. The only Sinclair sign I could find was the regular one. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 08:36, May 6, 2016 (UTC)

Indent reset I have a turf war model render for you, which I already had laying around. How would you like the screen to be? It is currently transparant. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:39, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
The Mercury Suites Postcard as uploaded by Pauolo is exactly the same as I've found in the game files, except for the black border, the original is transparant. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:44, June 1, 2016 (UTC) Edit: Never mind. I misread tilted as titled. I'll Upload that one in a minute. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:48, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, got the postcard. Can you replace the image for me? Please mark the old one as candidate for deletion, so I can delete it quickly. I don't have the images for team Atlas and Ryan available right now, so those will have to wait. I do have the transparant one though:
Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:57, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
Here are the requested image. Can you place them at the appropriate spots? Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:43, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, the Pile of money and Jewelry seems to be an odd one. There are ugly gray/blueish shards around it for some reason. The same happened with a model of Karla Electron Tubes, and I'm not sure how to change/fix that. I will look in to that one later. In addition, it seems that is a flat image, so you can't really model that. It's not going to be easy to get that one correct for display. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:48, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
I believe UpgradeTech ninja'd me with File:Siren Alley.png. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 07:29, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
Well this was fairly disappointing. I can't find the circular signs for Wissmuller Beer, only Ryan Club Beer Ale, nor the Lotz Friendly Fish (Friendsly Frish), only Lotz & Sons. Also, I can't find any of the mats. The baby carriage has an annoying effect that I can't remove with photoshopping, so I need to model it with another program, but that takes a while because I'm not very proficient with it. Anyway: enjoy! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 13:36, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
You're in luck, I already had that one laying around, but hadn't thought of uploading. I've replaced File:Ryan club beerale.png with a model rendered one. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 09:28, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, a distraction! A welcome one nonetheless. I'll dig around this weekend, if not sooner. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 20:27, May 16, 2017 (UTC)

Well, it appears I can no longer extract models with UModel correctly from BioShock and BioShock 2 for some reason. The textures are very low quality for some reason, so I'm afraid that I can't upload those. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 11:50, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

Spheres[edit source]

Hello! I'm very sorry to bother you, but I was wondering where you read that this image (and this one) depicts an early version of Gil's tank.

On the artist's website, the file is named "GulagBalls_FINAL," and in the game files, the "gulag" prefix is used to refer to Persephone.  KureAll (talk) 17:40, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

I like your theory a lot! It definitely looks like they were remodelled or cut from the game altogether. I've taken a look at the unused radio messages from Outer/Inner Persephone, but I don't see them being mentioned anywhere. They could also be related to Sinclair's escape pod, but I don't know anything for sure.

Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I haven't seen them mentioned anywhere. It'd be interesting to know more about them. KureAll (talk) 19:51, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Adding Category:Unprocessed Files to files[edit source]

You don't need to manually add Category:Unprocessed Files. I plan on having my bot do that for us this weekend. There are currently 13,914 file on this wiki. It'd be an impossible task to do that manual. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 15:20, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Re: A 5th Baby Jane Model[edit source]

Third from the left.

It's been a while since I've mentioned it, and this seems as opportune a time as any: thanks and well done on all the information you've added, the minor fixes you've done, and the wonderful concept art images uncovered. It's always appreciated.

As for Baby Jane, there are only 4 models in BioShock. Please understand that when I say I conducted an exhaustive search while making the Appearance sections, I say it not to make myself or my efforts sound important, but rather as a statement of fact. I believe the model you saw in Worley Winery is #3 on the image to the right. Her dress is covered in red (which I assume is blood stains, though who can say for sure), but if you look at different spots such as near the armpits and around the trim of the collar and cuffs, you'll see the patches of green.

I'm ashamed to say it, but the pictures I took in the Chorus Line image were taken at slightly less than perfect settings. I was midway through the project when I realized I could boost things like Real Time Reflection, High Detail Post Processing, High Detail Shaders, etc. to get the optimal image. I could't bring myself to retake the Baby Jane images after working so hard to showcase each outfit being worn by a different combat class of Splicer, in a different location. This combined with the pose that the Jane in the Smuggler's Hideout picture fails to adequately show off how red her outfit looks. If you come across this model again, use Telekinesis, and drag her beneath a light source so that you might compare her face with the one in the collage I made.

Also, regarding the Houdini Splicers, that's actually a fascinating mechanic that I've been wanting to discuss, but have never found the right place to do so. Houdinis teleport and when they reappear, a base model reappears first. If you look through each of the Appearance sections, you'll see that I list the first model as the "primary model;" that's no coincidence. It's because that's the model that appears for half a second no matter which model you're encountering. For example, take Lady Smith. Say you're fighting the model with the teal dress and that she's wearing the blonde hair piece and either a mask or the veil accessory. When she teleports back in, for a split second, she'll appear as the blue dress model with no hair piece at all and no accessory. Then, the game loads all those other cosmetic items over her. Most people never notice any of this, I only learned it using Console Commands to freeze the game second by second. So, yes, it's something of a glitch, but it's not just the Baby Janes are effected.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:33, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

I was going back through my neglected responses, and I saw I never answered to the second part of your question. Regarding the Lady Smith, that's a picture I took and the reason why she's bald in that image is because The Saturnine cultist hurled a fireball at her and she was engulfed in flames; aka, her hairpiece had already burned away at that point. There are plenty of cases of Baby Jane and Lady Smith Corpses that don't have a hairpiece attached to them, but that appears deliberate (to make the body seem even more unnatural/shocking/disfigured). It's more than possible that a glitch could occur and a Houdini Splicer could reappear with its hair missing (that is, if it's a Jane or Smith model b/c they're the only ones with attachable hairpieces), but in my experience, it's very, VERY rare. The game's pretty well designed.

Unownshipper (talk) 01:57, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

BioShock Wiki:File Project[edit source]

Hi Shacob!
BioShock Wiki:File Project is pretty much ready. You are listed as active member of this project. Any thoughts on the page?
Please leave a note here if you are fine with the categories I have planned. --Bioexpander (talk) 08:22, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

The Thinker and ADAM[edit source]

The BioShock 2 Help Captions mention that the Thinker utilizes ADAM:

"What's the secret of Rapture Central Computing's success? The most advanced computing device in the world - The Thinker!" - excerpt, Rapture Central Computing advertisement

The Thinker is the nickname of the Rapture Operational Data Interpreter Network, the mainframe computer invented by Charles Milton Porter to process all of the automation in Rapture.

ADAM allows The Thinker to process data at the speed of thought. Its calculating power is unrivalled.

Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 05:55, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Billy G[edit source]

I was going back through some of the edits to the Rapture Businesses, and I saw you removed "Billy G" noting Billy G. is the inspiration for Top Card, so it doesn't count. I'm not sure if that's right b/c I've seen the crate label for Top Card Bartlett pears. To be honest, I've never seen an advertisement for either, but it seems that Billy G is more likely to be based off the Top Card crate label.

I wanted to check and see what you knew before making any changes.

Unownshipper (talk) 02:31, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Again, returning to unanswered responses, it seems then that we should add Billy G back to the Rapture Businesses article under the Semi-Canon businesses section. Thoughts?

Unownshipper (talk) 02:47, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Little Sister underwater[edit source]

Hi. I have to agree that there is no Little Sister underwater on the back of a Big Sister in Paupers Drop.

Big Sister in Paupers Drop.

From a distance it does look like you can see a Little Sister's legs but on closer inspection it is the Big Sisters arm. I have edited the articles to conform to this. Aquawiki (talk) 08:20, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Edit to Musical Insult[edit source]

Hi, I'm just dropping by to say thanks for the continuous additions of interwiki links, as well as to report the edit you made to Musical Insult. It causes some inconsistencies between Musical Insult and Ryan's Songbird, as that page quotes and references the diary. If you're saying that that Diary does not refer to Ryan's Songbird, most of the content of that page is not correct anymore. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 14:02, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
Edited on 16:29, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Seems we just passed each other :). I'm not sure which one of the interpretations would be 'correct', but 1 seems the most likely. Frankly, everything refers with a lot of words unspoken to Ryan's Songbird, but it very well could be something else she produced, except there is no shred of evidence (nor do we know what else she has produced). All we know is that she produced Ryan's Songbird sometime after the start of the Rapture Civil War, as it was not in stores by the time Rapture Records is visited by Booker and Elizabeth. This suggests, mostly because there's not much time between Burial at Sea and BioShock, that it would be her last album, and thus the one Cohen refers to. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:48, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
If I may but in. We know there was a lot of time between BaS and BS1. BaS Pt1 took place New Years Eve 1958 and BS1 sometime in 1960. So it was at least a whole year. As for why "Ryan's Songbird" wasn't in Rapture Records there could be a good reason for it. Cohen pulled some strings so it wouldn't be carried in the RR stores. Maybe Ryan ordered pulled for ALL stores. It could even be that RR did carry it and the story we saw didn't happent ot have it availiable that day. sm --Solarmech (talk) 18:18, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

I hope it's ok that we continue this conversation on this page, as we are three people. While you both have good points, I need to point out something: Ryan's Songbird does appear in the Rapture Records store on High Street during BaSE1. It is in and on the counter, here's a clip:

--Shacob (talk) 15:36, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, Ryan's Songbird is there. I think that it's a logical assumtion that Ryan's Songbird is that Cohen is talking about in Musical Insult. Musical Insult is from a time when Cohen was still at least somewhat sane, the record is from before the start of the Civil War and Ryan's Stableboy seems to be from before the war started as well. I suspect that Anna Culpepper probably didn't live ling after the start of the war since Ryan would have seen any opposition to him as treason after the start of the war. sm --Solarmech (talk) 16:16, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

BioShock: Rapture TOC[edit source]

Which version of BioShock: Rapture do you have use? Mine appears to differ from yours, which makes determining the chapter/page for a reference/citation difficult because users don't know which version was used. Please also check this edit because I'm guessing they differ too. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 21:00, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

I could've guessed that this would be problematic, as BioShock: Rapture (Novel) lists the UK (mine) variant to have 32 pages than the one for the US (yours). I think it would be best if tthe version used for the lookup is mentioned in the reference. If you've got a suggestion for a format you'd like to see used, feel free to let me know. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 16:22, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Marking images for deletion[edit source]

Thanks for marking so many images for deletion (and for providing an edit summary with them)! I have just one note about it. I noticed that you sometimes mark images as a candidate for deletion when the image they are a duplicate of does not have a better name. Do you have reason to do so? Otherwise, would it be easier for me at least if you picked the image with the worst name of the pair, so I don't have to rename them later on. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 14:04, February 26, 2017 (UTC)
Edit: To illustrate my point; File:Arcadia Rapture's Vacationland Poster.png is marked for deletion as it is a duplicate of File:Arcadia Vacationland 2.jpg. Doesn't the first image have a better name? Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 14:06, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

That is a good point, and exactly why I wanted to ask. Thanks! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 19:56, March 3, 2017 (UTC)
I just deleted this file. While writing this message, I also removed the two broken links from your talk page. Thanks for marking the files for deletion and elaborating on your Marking for deletion approach. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 12:09, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
On the same topic, can you tell me which file replaces :File:Bioshock-20060505102000676.jpg? I can't find which file it is supposed to be a duplicate off, and I don't want to go around removing pre-release files that can be re-used. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 12:17, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Atlas' Eye Color[edit source]

I was looking at the Recent Changes and saw your comment on Atlas' eye color. I was going to say it was the repurposed Waders model from BioShock who had brown eyes, but upon revisiting the Smuggler's Hideout and using Console Commands, I found that in fact even that model's eyes are blue.

I traced it back and that change was added by a random unregistered Wiki user (sorry, I guess they're called Fandom users now) who made that single edit, gave no explanation why, and hasn't been back since. It's funny (and supremely annoying) how if we miss one incorrect edit, it just stays there and we start to believe it's accurate until months/years later.

Unownshipper (talk) 02:24, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

Fontaine's Fake Family[edit source]

Hey Shacob,

Regarding your assertion on the 10th that the family portrait in Frank Fontaine's office in BioShock 2 is fake, that is a serious accusation and I implore you to share how you learned this. I always suspected it was unlikely; Fontaine did not have a real family and while I could see citizens bringing precious momentos like family photos with them when they migrated to Rapture a giant oil painting seems unlikely to fit in a Bathysphere. Please do share as this will eliminate a lot of questions.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:09, March 16, 2017 (UTC)

Very good. It's great that you continue to find these marvelous creator bios.

Unownshipper (talk) 21:46, March 16, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Removing BioShock Infinite category from Forum[edit source]

Both done. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 13:18, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Lower Wharf edit.[edit source]

Hey Shacob, I saw your changes to the Lower Wharf page, and no, I don't mind at all. Those were just helpful corrections. I only put the notice there so some well-intentioned editor didn't fill out the whole article before I had a chance to finish laying the groundwork. I appreciate your concern though, thanks.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:16, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

More Mugshots[edit source]

Wonderful job noticing those mugshot connections. The source website that you found those images on is interesting. Most of the pics from there come from Small Town Noir, but I've been looking through and at least two of them (the mugshots of Anna Mae Craven and Ruth Swartz) aren't from STN. I wonder where they came from.

I've looked through and it doesn't look like any of the other mugshots from STN were used for portraits for BioShock 2 Audio Diaries, although it's possible I might have missed and the site frequently updates so I'll keep an eye out. In any case, good work!

Unownshipper (talk) 23:35, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm, that's tough. I really wish the Audio Diary portraits were larger, for multiple reasons. It's SO close, but I think not. When these mugshots are reused, the clothes and hair is often changed and the frown is usually changed to a smile, but the center portion (the eyes, nose, brow, and chin) usually aren't. The extra portrait (we'll call him Fobes) has the same chin, chin shadow, and Adam's Apple as Manley, but while Manley's nose is shaped the same way it's smaller than Fobes, Fobes' brow is higher above the eyes than Fobes', I think Fobes' ears are lower on his head than Manley's, and I think even the forehead is vaguely different. Anyway, I'm going to say no. It makes no sense to leave the chin and neck portion the same and change all the other details so much.
If you have any others you're questioning, let me know, I'd love to help and it's always best to get a second opinion. After how close this one is, I'm going to have to review the mugshots on Small Town Noir. I may have been to quick to dismiss them.

Unownshipper (talk) 23:40, May 14, 2017 (UTC)

Businesses & Names[edit source]

Hey man, hope all is well. I saw your changes to the BioShock 2 Characters article and it reminded me of a conversation I had on this site years ago. I can't remember who I was discussing with (or what page it's located on), but we talked about the ambiguity of adding Mentioned Characters from business signs.

It's one thing to add characters discussed in conversations like Ms. Englert or seen on address plaques like Dr. Shyera as those are clearly citizens who lived and worked in Rapture. Unfortunately, I think it's another to add Marlene, Joe, J. Fischer, or anyone else listed on a marquee. One might think, of course, they must exist; for example Finley must be the owner of Finley's Eat-In Take-Out. At the same time, in the real world, people don't always name their business after themselves. What if Marlene's Flower Emporium is named in memory of the owner's beloved mother Marlene? What if the J. Fischer Gallery is named to honor a comrade who died in WWII, but always dreamed of having his art displayed? What if the name for Joe's Green Groceries was chosen at random to make the place (a front for an illegal Plasmid lab) seem more nondescript, AKA "Average Joe's?"

It might seem outlandish or far-fetched, but at the same time, we have no proof that the businesses are indeed named for real citizens. It's all just too vague which leads into speculation and where do we stop? For example, are we to assume there's a Fleet of Fleet Hall, a Grace of Grace Brand, or even a real Capt. Nemo?

Unownshipper (talk) 06:10, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for considering my suggestion. As for yours, I'm down for a section for actual people on the Character pages. Of the two you mentioned, I'd personally prefer "Historical Characters," but to Solarmech's point, these are not "characters." Then again, "personages" sounds weird, so we should work on this a little. I personally don't have a problem with Characters, but it may be worth considering.
As for the notion of a "Supporting Characters" header, I fear that would only confuse things even more. So currently we have Main, Major, Minor, Mentioned, and Removed. Main and Removed are obvious, and Mentioned is pretty clear as well. With Major and Minor, I've always seen it this way: Major characters include bosses with a unique or repurposed character model while Minor ones are people who only appear via Audio Diary entires, corpses, or minor adversaries. Technically, Pearl Porter should be a Minor character, but it was a bone of contention so I was willing to give it a pass. ALSO, one could make the argument that she does appear with a "unique" model b/c The Thinker replicates her personality in Rapture, so she appears via The Thinker.
To the point, what would the definition of a "Supporting Character" be? And even if we chose a separate word from "supporting" or added extra adjectives like with Solarmech's proposals of "Major Supporting Characters" or "Important Supporting Characters" wouldn't it only serve to muddy the definitions? Currently, I can't see the need, but I'm open to options.

Unownshipper (talk) 02:17, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
Well, only thing other than Persona and Character I have come up with would be "Historic Personality". :( As for Important Supporting Characters, I think a good definition would be "A character who has importance in story, but does not actually appear in the game itself." They are usually dead, but don't have to be. They just need not to appear in person. Annabelle DeWitt is not an Important Supporting Character, but Sullivan would be. Yi Suchong in BS would be a ISC in BS and BaS Ep 1 as all we see of him are Audio Diaries, but he would be a Major Character in BaS Ep 2 since we see and interact with him. That make sense? sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:56, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

Saltonstall 's first name[edit source]

You mention in the edit summary for this edit that the first name of Saltonstall is confirmed, based on BioShock Infinite: The Siege of Columbia, which I believe is considered canon here. Doesn't that warrant a rename or am I missing something? Nice find by the way! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 15:28, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
Edit: You also uploaded the source for Meyer Herzog, but the name has not yet been listed on BioShock Infinite Characters, so I wonder where the name is supposed to go. Another nice find by the way! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 15:31, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

Re: A Wiki Proposal[edit source]

I'm for it. I suppose it couldn't hurt to have a page for the achievements, though I imagine that the majority of these articles would be very brief indeed. I'll leave you to take point on this project, but I'll be happy to help if I can.

Unownshipper (talk) 15:20, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

I must admit, I was quite skeptical about the idea. Scavenger Hunt has me convinced. Please do continue, I love it! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:32, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

Clip Art[edit source]

Just want to say the clip art inspiration images you found are fantastic. Where on earth did you find them?

Unownshipper (talk) 20:39, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

Sky-Hook Concept Art[edit source]

Sorry, unless Robb Waters or 2K posts the early concept art for the Sky-Hook, we won't be able to put it in the wiki since it's a copyright violation (like many of the images in the book.) :( I Removed Fact notation. sm --Solarmech (talk) 21:14, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah it sucks. So MUCH good stuff in the Art Book and we can't get it on the wiki. :( sm --Solarmech (talk) 18:58, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Chad King[edit source]

Well done on the Chad King article, it's very detailed and well put together. I hope we continue filling out the developers like this.

Unownshipper (talk) 18:27, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

I too was thinking of doing one for Laura Zimmermann, she certainly is one of the most visible developers. If you do proceed with making the page (which would be greatly appreciated), I'd go with "Laura Zimmermann" as that's how she's actually credited in the games. We can include her full married name in the text of the article while still titling her page by her more well known name just like we do with Jasmine Jolene.

Unownshipper (talk) 02:45, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
I think that'd be a good choice. I noticed that too, but I think the credits for Burial at Sea are tucked in with the BioShock Infinite Credits; there's also not a separate credits for Minerva's Den, the Challenge Rooms, or other Downloadable Content.
A page for voice actors may be something to consider, but the game developers should take precedence, at least for now. The designers made the game what it is and there's still so many who contributed so much yet we know so little about them on this site.
Also, as for the Facebook link, we can take it down (I have no problem with that nor do I have a strong urge to keep it), yet the argument can be made that the url to Tejerina's Facebook page is both a matter of public record and that it's no more a violation of privacy than it is to publicly share the link to Ken Levine's Twitter account on his page.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:50, August 16, 2017 (UTC)
Huh, that's surprising. We can at least start by adding the credits to the Infinite page and then move them to a separate page if we want. At the same time, I doubt anyone would really mind if you created the Burial at Sea Credits page.
Your concerns do you credit, and I mirror your desire not to have these individuals bothered by spam/trolling. Still, the cynic in me is quick to point out that the kind of people who would do such a thing could just as easily cut out the middleman and go straight to Facebook to search for the designers. I'm reminded of something Mainframe98 brought up a while ago about how we should assume good faith in the people who visit here. While I remain very ambivalent/indifferent about the issue, the case could be made that a fan or a well-wisher could use the link to express their admiration for the work done on BioShock. Regardless, I'll support either decision.

Unownshipper (talk) 22:41, August 18, 2017 (UTC)

Dagnabit![edit source]

You beat me by 15 minutes with the edit about the splicer! Good job. Nice to see other people are following Robb Waters's Twitter. sm --Solarmech (talk) 12:57, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Society in Rapture[edit source]

I saw your addition to the Society in Rapture article and wanted to discuss it. I think it's wonderful that the laissez faire market is addressed as a Reason for Emigration as it undoubtedly was a major contributor. Previously, it was obliquely referenced under the "Freedom from Fear" section, but it really does deserve its own section while the "FfF" should be more devoted to real fears of war, government, and atomic holocaust.

However, I do have some critiques I'd like to share so both of us can improve the page as a whole. First, I'd like to suggest we change the title to "Freedom of the Free Market" or "Freedom of the Market" or something similar. Currently, the first section stands out, the second two match, and the final one is different; by having the first three follow the "freedom" theme, we'll create a rhythmic flow which will cause the last section to have more impact.

Second, I'd like to recommend dropping the image associated with that section entirely. Further down the article is the BaSE1_Rapture_Citizen.jpg file which is not used elsewhere in the Wiki and depicts the same scene. The BaS1_Scripted_SIntimacy.png file is used on the High Street, Rapture Citizen, and Scripted Events (Burial at Sea) pages, so I think it's been used enough.

Lastly, I think the first two sentences in the ""Free Market" section are really well-written, but I'm wary of the examples afterwards. It just seems like a list of bad ideas. I'm not against listing specifics per se (I think it'd be useful to include the legalized prostitution), but I think the rest should be more generalized.

I'd love to work with you on this (and get your input on how the other sections could be rewritten to be better integrated with the "Market" section), so let me know what you think.

Unownshipper (talk) 05:35, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Cut Multiplayer Section[edit source]

Didn't know you had found this much stuff about the MP. :) I vaguely recall seeing some stuff in the files that *might* have referenced the "Spec-Ops" Co-Op. I will try to find it again and see if I can piece together anything coherent and make sure it was actually from Spec-Ops. Here is a bit of info I found online about how it. sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:54, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

Started looking but not finding as much as I hoped. One thing I am relatively sure of is that there were experience points and levels involved. What ticks me off is that a former Irrational staffer said he still had the MP files and I never thought to ask many questions. (bangs head against wall). sm --Solarmech (talk) 12:11, August 27, 2017 (UTC)

More Easter Eggs Foreshadowing Hidden in Paris?[edit source]

Great find with the baby carriage. Makes me wonder if there are other things in Paris people have missed. sm --Solarmech (talk) 14:58, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

Argh, wish I had known that. Ok, BSI does not have any console commands, buuuut there is a program called Cheat Engine that basically does the same thing. Despite the name the program IS safe and I have been using it for screenshots on the Deviant Art account for some time now. Also I think this is the same program used by our good friend jlbiggs at Digital Frontiers. It's a bit hard to learn, but easy to use once you do. Cheat Engine has "tables" which is basically a listing of the info for a specific game. There are premade tables for BSI out there, but the site/forum that had them seems cannot find the page anymore. I'll look into uploading it someplace or e-mailing. (it's only 26 kb) Dead End Thrills has a tutorial specific to BSI on the forum. sm --Solarmech (talk) 12:01, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the page and the cheat table you need. :) Actually what I do up right now is after changing the Table's file type to "***.CT" all I need to do is double click on it and it automatically starts up Cheat Engine. There are Youtube Tutorials for using tables (Like this one ). If you need help I should be able to do so, just drop me a line. sm --Solarmech (talk) 16:43, September 2, 2017 (UTC)

my response to your edit[edit source]

my friend, I wish I could help you find the audio file for Sander Cohen's Monologue when the quadtych is finished, but I know next to nothing about accessing game files. I just turned off the sound and the music and recorded the monologue using my Iphone. I am very sorry. I am afraid you will have to find the audio file yourself.

Godzillafan4ever (talk) 16:58, October 23, 2017 (UTC)Godzillafan4ever

P.S I hope to god I signed my post correctly.

RE: Policy Note[edit source]

Glad to hear the policy page is well received. I checked and it appears you're right. I probably hadn't sorted that section when I placed it there. I've corrected it. Thank you for letting me know! If you spot any other incorrections, feel free to edit the page, or leave a message on this talk page for community discussion. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:52, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

I've extended {{pics}}. If you provide a parameter, an additional line will display with the given reason. Currently the additional line is "Pictures needed: <reason>", but if you have a better suggestion, feel free to improve. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:55, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Rapture Metro Poster-Robb Waters[edit source]

Saw a Rapture Metro Poster on Robb Waters's Flickr. But am not sure about it being for the game or a commission of some sort as one of the destinations is "Phantom Zone". Thought I would get another opinion before putting it up. Or if it's legit you can put it up as well. sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:55, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Redirects[edit source]

Hi. First of all, thanks for your continuous work on the wiki, it's really great!. I noticed you marked a few redirects for deletion, but did so by adding the category Category:Candidates for deletion, rather than {{Delete}}. Can you use the template next time? Redirects 'break' when you use that template, so you won't get redirected. Unownshipper accidentally deleted Cornelius Slate because of that, and I'd like to prevent that from happening. Also, because of the renames you did, there are two broken links on your user page. I can fix them myself, but it seems more appropriate to let you know. Thanks in advance! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 21:09, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Signature Section[edit source]

Hmmm. I'm conflicted on this. It's not a bad idea, but given the quality of the signatures we have, I'm not really convinced. There appear to be only a few signatures that are of good quality, while others are rather simply handwritten names. (Of course, this could be a (to me) foreign custom I am unaware of) So based on that, I don't think it's really worth listing, sorry. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 13:00, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

your previous edit[edit source]

not all users understand russian. I was trying to make everything easier for everyone, since not all users here understand foreign languages. does it mean nothing to you that the russian language and symbols may be alien to some users? 18:23, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

Emporia Bombing[edit source]

IIRC the source for the bombing of Emporia in 1904 was the online game with the gears (can't remember the name of it now). Of course it's no longer around so we can check it. sm --Solarmech (talk) 20:22, December 7, 2017 (UTC)

Yep, it was Industrial Revolution. There was a complete timeline of events in there and I never thought to grab screenshots of anything. :( sm --Solarmech (talk) 13:27, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Updating the Wiki's Menu[edit source]

I've given this some thought, and I'm not sure how to pull that off. Looking at Help:Navigation, we're limited to 4 main tabs. That would give us a division of BioShock | BioShock 2 | BioShock Infinite | Community. The problem with this ordering is that compared to the current ordering, we no longer have a good place to put the items Rapture Universe, Other, which contains two BioShock related media not specifically bound to either BioShock or BioShock 2. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 13:37, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

While it looks like the other wikis, including us actually, have 6 tabs, we only have the ability to change 4 of them. The other two are the community tab provided by Wikia, and the explore tab.
If I understand you correctly, you suggested (among other things) to duplicate the sub tab 'other' under both the BioShock and BioShock 2 tab?
Meanwhile while writing this, I came up with another idea; Universe | Games | Other | Community . Universe can cover a lot of inter-game things, such as the cities, storylines, businesses and what-nots, Games can cover all the games and Other does all that does not fit in the other categories. The Community tab would remain untouched.
Regardless, thanks for bringing this up! It was one thing among many I'd wanted to do, and this way there's at least some progress. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 19:03, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
I've left Unownshipper a message about the proposed update, based on the draft I've created on my Sandbox. It also contains a summary of the changes. Let me know if you have any suggestions or improvements. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 15:18, January 12, 2018 (UTC)

BioshockInfinite VFXREEL[edit source]

Don't know if you noticed by the BioshockInfinite VFXREEL is no longer available. So, how do we reference the material we found there and have on the wiki? Sorry if it's a dumb question. sm --Solarmech (talk) 19:13, January 11, 2018 (UTC)

I foresaw the possibility that the vid might be taken down so I made a whole bunch of screenshots of it. So we do have a record. However since Mr. Sharpe clearly does not want the video out there I don't think it would be proper to load them up to the wiki. Ugh. This is great info but we have to act properly. sm --Solarmech (talk) 20:06, January 11, 2018 (UTC)
Cloverit2 uploaded a copy of the VFXREEL to their own site. sorry developer But as the original went unlisted, I don't think we whould link to it. FYI sm --Solarmech (talk) 13:55, January 24, 2018 (UTC)
The problem of vanishing sources is why I floated the idea of a "Removed Sources" catogory to Unknownshipper. But I don't think he had been here recently and I don't know if the idea would work. sm --Solarmech (talk) 16:28, January 24, 2018 (UTC)
Well the BioshockInfinite VFXREEL has been uploaded to a unofficial Youtube gaming account. Someone found it and stuck it up on the BS Redit. I'm not sure we should link to it though as the original vid is still not for the public. CC'ed to Unownshipper sm --Solarmech (talk) 18:41, April 1, 2018 (UTC)

I would LOVE to put some screenshots from the vid up, but without proper permission or it clearly being usable it's unethical to do so. I took a ton of screenshots and I hate it that they can't be used. :( The other vid of Town Center seems to be in the clear, but I don't see a whole lot to use. I have been low on time as of late and didn't take a real good look at it though. You might have seen something I didn't. sm --Solarmech (talk) 13:52, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

I agree that it's probably improper to post the video or screenshots from it to this site until we could be possibly get permission from the original owner, but so long as this is a Public video (ie, not Unlisted or Private) then we're potentially free to create citations that link back to the video. We will of course honor wishes of the original owner to remove the links to the video should we receive them, but I think we may be in the clear on this. It's a tricky subject.

Unownshipper (talk) 04:01, April 4, 2018 (UTC)
Ok, right now the ref link are pointed to the original video. I will get to changing over in a day or three is someone else doesn't get to if first. sm--Solarmech (talk) 11:58, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Can't claim credit[edit source]

For the Chester A Arthur pick. Someone by the name of "Cream Soda" on the Steam Boards noticed it. This brings up the strong possibility that similar paintings are also reworks of real portraits. sm --Solarmech (talk) 12:29, January 29, 2018 (UTC)

Re: GDC Change Is Good[edit source]

Thank you very, VERY much. It had totaly slipped my mind that they put out pdf's of most of these GCD talks. I will be able to get much better images this way and we get see a ton of new stuff about development. (Starts thinking of other GDC talk .pdf's that the wiki might use.) sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:58, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

  • The images I'm getting from the .pdf (not many BSI .pdf's) aren't very big, but there is no loss of quality. sm --Solarmech (talk) 14:53, January 31, 2018 (UTC)
    • The original images from .pdf is 960 by 540. Shouldn't we be posting original images rather than expanded versions? Even if you can see things better? sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:41, January 31, 2018 (UTC)
      • Well, been able to get 1290 by 720 out of it. Anything more and I will be having to piece together multipule screeenshots. sm --Solarmech (talk) 20:16, January 31, 2018 (UTC)

Something about a file[edit source]

Hi! Thank you for marking several files and videos for deletion, I've just gotten to cleaning them up now. I noticed that you've marked File:1959.jpg for deletion, but the replacement File:BioShock Rapture Novel Cover Art.jpg is in a lower resolution. Thing is, that file has a proper source, where the resolution of that source file (the one on the source website, not the wiki) is lower than the duplicate we have on the wiki. A quick google search yields a huge amount of images that are even of a higher resolution (4K). I'm not really sure how to approach that since most are wallpaper sites that often have sketchy license policies. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 12:42, February 8, 2018 (UTC)

I missed that, so I'm glad I asked you before I'd overwritten the file. Thanks for the explanation. I have deleted 1959.jpg accordingly. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 20:25, February 8, 2018 (UTC)

Re: General Question on Naming[edit source]

I quite agree with you that in real life they probably should be officially listed individually. Just like how Hershey's Milk Chocolate Bar is just one product of Hershey's. There's even some precedent here on the Wiki like how we changed Finley's Eat-In Take-Out to Finley after the confusion over other businesses with the Finley name appearing in sequels.

The problem is that we don't have any real information about these businesses. Maybe Carter only makes condensed milk, maybe Taylor only makes soap. Maybe "Carter's Condensed Milk" and "Taylor's Soap," really are the full names of those businesses. We don't know. With that in mind, and because it actually makes writing content for pages easier, I'd suggest just leaving them as is and in future writing new businesses how they're written in the game (full name and all).

Unownshipper (talk) 04:01, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

Texture Files from Clash In The Clouds[edit source]

Have you been able to extract these files? I haven't. :( The reason I ask is that the Automatic Gentleman main image is a scan from the art book and should be removed and replaced from the one from the game files. Probably a few other good files we can get from there. sm --Solarmech (talk) 11:33, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

I used a program called Riveal ( It's a Java program that extracts from some Unreal Engine games. I have not run it in a long time as I don't like having Java on my computer. There are instructions on the page and there is a download section. Just noticed that that created Riveal passed on. :( Will look around to see if there are other programs that can do the same thing. sm --Solarmech (talk) 18:28, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what I was doing wrong before but I was able to unpack CITC's textures files. :) Some good textures in there. BTW, I ran across two unused sound files from Elizabeth where she finds a bottle of alcohol. She reads off the label so we know what she found. Would these removed content or semi-canon? sm --Solarmech (talk) 22:46, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Renaming Page[edit source]

Go ahead and rename the Columbia Coffee page if you think it's for the better. :) sm --Solarmech (talk) 14:18, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Two Small Notes[edit source]

Thanks for letting me know about the broken navigation link, I have fixed that one.

Now, for the other issue with BioShock Infinite Achievements and Trophies, it looks like that has to do with template expanding since the added wikitext is remarkably similar to the source text of the templates used on that page. Now why that happens is the thing I'm unsure about. I didn't encounter anything when reverting and restoring the interwiki link you added. What editor do you use? The Visual Editor? Wikia's Rich text editor/classic editor? I'm using the source code editor, which didn't result in any odd behaviour. If you indeed do use a different editor, then you've probably encountered a bug in said editor. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 10:08, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

There have been some changes to the Classic Rich Text Editor, w:Thread:1400360 and w:Thread:1399194, last week. Both have addressed the issues you mentioned. Are you still experiencing these issues? Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 19:15, February 27, 2018 (UTC)
You could send in a bug report. I'm afraid there's nothing more I can do. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 10:31, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Development of BioShock Infinite[edit source]

Never thought to look there. When I get a chance I will go over it with a fine tooth comb. Thanks! sm --Solarmech (talk) 16:46, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

Special Delivery[edit source]


One poster, as requested. I'm sure you'll know just the spot. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 16:14, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

Pictures needed: Machine Graveyard[edit source]

Hi, I was wondering if you happened to know what kind of images Machine Graveyard could use. I'd like to try and take some, but it'll help if I know what I'm looking for. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 15:38, March 24, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the tidying up[edit source]

I mean it, this was my first created page and I know I didn't do a perfect job so it's good to have more proficient editors like you to clean up after my sloppiness.

Relativus (talk) 19:10, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Moderator Request[edit source]

It'd be my extreme pleasure to respond to your request by extending you Moderator rights. The fact is that another Moderator is what this site needs, and you've been a dedicated and consistent contributor to this site for years and have demonstrated a responsible work ethic as an editor. While there's still room for improvement, I believe you've demonstrated your loyalty to the BioShock Wiki, its projects, and its goals. So long as Mainframe98 has no objects, and I don't expect he does, I vote to move forward with granting your request.

Unownshipper (talk) 06:54, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

I can only agree with Unownshipper here. You've got a stellar record, and I have no doubt that granting you Moderator rights will help you be a great contributor even more. Indeed, it is easier if you can wrestle filenames yourself without having to ask one of us. Of course, if you've got any questions, feel free to let us know. Unownshipper, if you'd do the honors? Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 07:39, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

  • For what it's worth, I totally agree with both Unknownshipper and Mainframe. Your work Shacob has been nothing short of fantastic and you have more than earned the right to be a mod. sm --Solarmech (talk) 11:35, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Cathode Tube model renders[edit source]

I've seen that you've added the {{Pics}} template to Cathode Tube for certain images, and I found a model render for the Cathode Tube holder of the Lutece Device. You can find those on!AhWG2rJ0UhZ-ge4bTfnz_Iefg0RKwg. (Please note; link expires in a month from now) Look for the files named dlcc_cathodo_box. Is this something you're looking for as well? I've already added a model render of the Cathode Tube itself. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 08:17, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Paris models[edit source]

How interesting. I noclipped around the game and I did not notice them actually being used. I suppose some of them were used as placeholders like the shield sign for Gaufrettes Vanille appears to be the same as the shield sign used for Fleurs de la Victoire as well as some of the other hanging street signs. I'll do another pass later on to see if they are used at all.

The menu is especially odd as quite a lot of effort went into it, but I guess it is not actually used in Paris. The menu in the Manta Ray Lounge is closed so that "La Poche du Temps" is not visible which is one of the three menu models in the game files (open, partly open, closed). I can't think of where else it might be found.

The silhouettes are already in the Behind the scenes, though it could use a note on some of the unused ones. The section is also a little unwieldy since it takes up half the page alone. Perhaps the page needs to be split.

Some other things of note that I'm not sure of the relevance. The card players in Paris use the same lighthouse cards, with sort of explains why the cards show up later in the nightmare. Not sure if it's noteworthy.

Also, Paris seems to have only one street sign which is Rue du Marché. It translates to Market Street and Booker's office just happens to show up in Paris. Perhaps it is another hint to be added or is it too vague? Perhaps Market Street will finally have that location sign that Night at the Kashmir wanted/requested some time ago. UpgradeTech (talk) 04:45, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

By the way, I did find the Art Deco floor decoration used in Fontaine's Department Store, behind the dummies on the second floor outside of Ladieswear and on the floor under a pedestal in Shoes. I suppose it's not quite unique to Market Street, but I guess it's not really as prominent in the department store. I remember I had a hard time finding it before since it's not a decal or model; it's literally part of the entire floor which is used to map out the level.
UpgradeTech (talk) 06:58, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
I also found the emblem in the dressing rooms of the Haberdashery. It's honestly a very odd place to put a symbol for Rapture. I don't really mind retaining the emblem for Market Street since it's prominently in the opening shot.
The Lincoln head I recall from the Cut Content thread on the 2K Forums when there was talk of entirely recreating Major's Notions, Sundries and Novelties with the additional files found in the DLC.
It really is in the Mask_Lincoln folder in BaS1 and not anywhere else. The model and texture files are conveniently named Lincoln_Mask and lincolnmask. Maybe they were working off an existing model to make the splicer masks correctly sized and rigged and forgot.
Those HoH diorama models keep reminding me that the Hall of Heros exhibits need to be made/fleshed out. UpgradeTech (talk) 21:52, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
Bloody 'ell. I had forgotten about that thread ( ). There is BSI MP Maps and stuff someone found in there. sm --Solarmech (talk) 22:38, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Andrew Ryan Changes[edit source]

Hey, I see you keep editing my Andrew Ryan changes to their original states. I wanted to know if you're okay with the changes I made? I only changed the picture because I see the current picture of Ryan to be kind of "ugly" for lack of a better word. I changed the quote as I believe "A man chooses, a slave obeys" is more of his signature quote than the alternative.

- Marcosos123

Just changed the picture to a picture I believe to be official. I hope it doesn't violate anything, but if it does and you guys take it down then that's that I guess lol, I just wanted to have the picture be something more "formal" because Ryan is my favorite character in the game. Thank you for replying though and explaining where I was wrong. -- Marcosos123

Special Delivery[edit source]

As for Dr. Suchong's Free Clinic.

There might be more, but I had these on hand. I'm sure you'll know what to do with these. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 10:10, June 6, 2018 (UTC)

Also, for Ryan the Lion Preparatory Academy: File:Empathy chalkboard.png.
There are definitely supposed to be more, but I don't have those right now. I'll see if I can scrounge those later.

Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 10:16, June 6, 2018 (UTC)


Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:01, June 6, 2018 (UTC)

Re: The Vox Threat[edit source]

Sorry about that. I hadn't realized it wasn't the same one found in game. Will try and fond the right one. sm --Solarmech (talk) 09:42, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

About the only person I remember swearing was Booker. He says "shit" two, maybe three times. Always with good reason though. And a few god damn's as well. sm

Thank you[edit source]

Indeed, those articles needed some serious rewriting, but I think I found the right balance of trimming them and removing the unneccessary without making them overtly simplistic. I also found it very strange that the entire Columbia storyline page was written in the past tense while the Rapture one wasn't.

--Relativus (talk) 17:24, July 21, 2018 (UTC)

Duplicated image[edit source]

I checked out BioShock Wiki:Maintenance Portal and found that we've got a duplicated image on the wiki:

  • File:MD Machine Graveyard Ruined Atlantic Express Train.png (The one you've uploaded)
  • File:Atlantic Express Train Operations.png (The one I've uploaded years ago, with an older version that was a screenshot I took)

So now I'm wondering which file to keep. In the interest of keeping history, I argue that File:Atlantic Express Train Operations.png should be kept. Thoughts? Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 09:02, July 28, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 13:34, July 28, 2018 (UTC)

We Happy Few BioShock References[edit source]

I haven't had much time for the wiki as of late, there are BioShock references found in "We Happy Few". The folks on the BS Reddit have found at least three and maybe more. Wish I had time myself but thought someone should be told so they could be put up. sm --Solarmech (talk) 17:51, August 20, 2018 (UTC)

Model renders[edit source]

Does anyone know where I could find renders of in-game models, such as the signs, the collectibles, and all the rest of that? --ZanyDragon (talk) 16:36, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Raffle Park Edits[edit source]

Regarding the removal, I believe putting the "New Discoveries" sections of enemies in individual articles of a level's specific area (in this case the Town Center's Raffle Park) is silly. The enemies you first find in the Raffle Park are already covered in, well, the Town Center level page.

Think of it like this: The Plaza of Zeal is where you first fight a Handyman. But is it necessary to add that? Not really, since the Handyman is already listed under New Enemies in the central Finkton Proper level (which the Plaza of Zeal is just a part of) article.

Buuuut you are right about the weapons section. That has more of a right to stay so I'll add it back.

--Relativus (talk) 01:15, September 16, 2018 (UTC)

Solarmech Gibb Slaps Shacob[edit source]

I filled in all the template info for the BSI Removed Content and Shantytown images you uploaded for you. sm--Solarmech (talk) 13:01, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Splicer Infobox Image Consistency[edit source]

Hey man, great to hear from you. You're right that this is indeed something important to me; uniform consistency and the image quality of this Wiki are two issues that I care most about for this site. I've wondered how to fix the issue of the Infobox cover image for a while now, but haven't come up with a satisfying solution. Hopefully by pooling our thoughts and opinions on this we can break the stalemate.

Let me start off by agreeing that the concept art images should be removed from the infobox. They make the box unnecessarily long, and while the images are cool, the contrast between the finished model and concept art is jarring. Furthermore, let's say that nothing should be done for the infobox images of the BioShock 2 Multiplayer Characters (as they're great as is), and nothing can be done for the Early Splicers as they aren't characters with consistent personalities attached to a single, unique model.

Onto the main problem; you've outlined the situation concisely. The Lady Smith, Ducky, and Toasty examples are indeed nice, but replicating that kind of promotional image for the other omnipresent Splicers (Breadwinner, Baby Jane, and Dr. Grossman) would be difficult, unconvincing, and not especially exciting visually. Also, Pigskin, Rosebud, Waders, Brute, and Crawler can't be rendered in that style because they only appear in one game each.

I commissioned the current images of Buttons and Heady from JL Biggs at Digital Frontiers, and while I was obviously very grateful that he captured and shared high quality and visually dynamic images for free and on his own time, they're not exactly what we need. The figures are framed from a Medium Long Shot and they're positioned off-center. Both facts are ideal from a photography standpoint, which is JL Biggs' priority since he's an artist, but they don't really convey all the detail we need for the infobox. We need less artistic, and more informational images.

With that in mind, I'd like to suggest replicating the Jerri Blank images. I think of his pictures as "mood pieces" that convey what each Splicer is all about as fully-realized concepts. The collage of images not only show the full-body of the model, they also show a close-up of the face, some other dynamic poses, and include a quote (2 actually combined into one) to give a multi-faceted look at who the Splicer is. It was his work that inspired me to create the Appearance Images, and while my images are meant to show off the details of each model recoloring of the Splicers, his set the tone of what they're all about.

So, if we pursue this option, I'd recommend that we utilize the already-existing Jerri Blank images for Lady Smith, Ducky, Toasty, Breadwinner, Baby Jane, Dr. Grossman, Pigskin, and Rosebud. In other words, we only showcase the BioShock model versions for the first 6, and try to copy the style for Buttons, Heady, Crawler, and Brute. I adore BioShock 2, but let's be honest and admit that no one fell in love with the Shock series because of game 2. Not remaking the collages to show off the models from both versions (for the Splicers that appear in both games), will save time and effort. This would create consistency across the vast majority of the Splicer pages.

What do you think?

Unownshipper (talk) 06:54, October 24, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not finding an exact match for the font, but it appears very similar to something called Fearless Vampire Killer.
To be honest, the collages always looked like fanart rather than anything professional looking. The tone of the subtitle captions don't seem to be an official description, take up a large amount of image space, and could be moved to the descriptive paragraph.
The collage look in the infobox appears rather squished and busy since there are so many faces (especially with the game icons covering the top portion of the image). Every other character page features a single vertical body-length shot for the infobox.
I do like the Toasty and Lady Smith images as the beginning representative image, but I am not sure how they were rendered and created. The "Before and After" could be changed to "BioShock and BioShock 2". The concept art could be moved to the actual concept art section for consistency.
Perhaps the infobox image could have one vertical body shot in even in-game lighting and a decent neutral pose. If need be, the Bioshock 1 version would be the top image of the infobox and the Bioshock 2 version would be the second one lower down.
The collages would be most helpful for the Appearance section if they were either individually uploaded or put in a consistent left to right position to match with the various descriptions. Making a collage to show different angles of the same splicer model variant could also be an option.
Though curiously it seems like Toasty, Breadwinner, and Pigskin among others are never called as such in the game and are variously called Leadhead, Thuggish etc. Regarding official merchandise, it appears the NECA figures for Brute, Lady Smith, and the Crawler are actually named. Perhaps there should be a note indicating that the names were culled from the game files. UpgradeTech (talk) 00:50, October 25, 2018 (UTC)
Since we don't seem to have a match on the font (I did some searches and didn't find anything very close) maybe the text portion of these images should be redone with a new font so everything would be consistent. If you folks don't decide to remake them from scratch of course. sm --Solarmech (talk) 16:09, October 26, 2018 (UTC)
Hey, sorry for the delay in replying. Long weekend. First thing's first, I added the image for Buck Raleigh's infobox. I'm not fully happy with his picture. It's not everything I wanted the way the other images for the BioShock 2 Multiplayer Characters are, but Pauolo put in a lot of time and effort to help makes these, so it'd be a shame for the effort to go to waste, plus it was the last one needed to fill out all the combatants. It's fine.
I'm glad to get more feedback on this project from other contributors, but this may delay us from moving forward. It's a shame we can't find the exact font, but not fully unexpected. Solarmech's suggestion is a valid idea, I was already thinking of the same thing if this situation was to occur. I'm afraid UpgradeTech's concerns are a little short-sided (especially since I outlined the problem of using the other options in the paragraph above his), but I'm not willing to proceed with the Jerri Blank-inspired collages if such a dedicated and highly-regarded fellow contributor has a strong objection to the plan you and I agreed upon.
However, while I'm here, I wanted to address the most recent reply you left on my Talk. I agree completely and wholeheartedly with each of the suggestions you made from the separate collages for each game to using the non-remastered edition to adding an inspiration note in the source file. I was going to say something about the Heady and Buttons images for the Appearance section, but I know how easy it is to get distracted while working on a time-intensive project like this (that's why the last bits of my contribution to the Appearance Project still needs to be finished), so don't feel bad about it. I could indeed handle the images for BioShock 2 if you can handle the Minerva's Den exclusive Splicers.
Of course this last bit is all hypothetical. I think you should confer with UpgradeTech to see what he suggests for this project. I don't want to put in all the work needed to complete the Jerri Blank-inspired images only to not use them. If he changes his mind, we can move forward.

Unownshipper (talk) 05:18, October 30, 2018 (UTC)
Well, found a good reason not to use some of the collages. Many of them have targeting reticules on them in one of the shots(automatically making them "Low Quality"). Waders, Rosebud, Breadwinner, Pigskin, Dr. Grossman and Ducky ar the ones I found. Also looking at some of the images in them, some of the shots are not of very good quality. sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:37, November 8, 2018 (UTC)

Input Requested[edit source]

Hey, I'm sorry to bring you into this, but I wanted some input from you and the other regular contributors. I've been drawn into something of an edit war with a new editor on the site regarding the Scout Plasmid page. The gist of the issue is spelled out in the recent Edit History of the Scout page, as well as my talk page, and their talk page.

I would appreciate it if you'd add your unbiased opinion so that we may put the issue to rest. All I want is a simple majority vote or a suitable compromise on how to properly word the description. At this point, I don't want to get drawn into another discussion with this person, as I don't think they're receptive to speaking with me in a cordial fashion. I also want to step back lest I get accused of misusing my position as an Admin; that's why I haven't reached out to Mainframe98 directly.

Again, I apologize about this, and if if makes you feel uncomfortable, then please don't bother. I'm only asking because of your interest in the site's content.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:59, November 7, 2018 (UTC)

Health Kit[edit source]

Found a reference to a "small health kit" in the "GlobalXItemDatabase.INT" file and several "Health Packs" in the Arc_TearPrefabs.INT file. So they do use a couple different names. It could be just a mistake that someone forgot to change a few test strings, but no way to prove it. So two names it is. sm --Solarmech (talk) 21:06, January 2, 2019 (UTC)

RE: BioShock weapons[edit source]

I will do that.

Unfortunately, it will take a while, as my bot requires an offline copy of the wiki to effectively find all occurrences. I've requested a copy from Wikia on Special:Statistics as the previous one was from last year, but that may take a while.

In the meantime, feel free to rename the pages.

Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 08:47, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not aware that've done anything, as I've been waiting on Wikia to supply an off-line copy that finally arrived today. Glad to hear it has been resolved. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 09:45, February 19, 2019 (UTC)

La Vie En Rose[edit source]

In a change you made to Paris, you remarked

If anyone has the sound file/video of this, please upload it.

I got the file you're after, but the way the audio is stored in the files is a bit tricky.

There are two parts: an intro, and the loop. Of the bird variant, only the loop version exists, and its intro is a blank section of 26 seconds. I'd like to upload all files as usable as possible, so I would like to stitch all together in a proper intro-loop audio file for each rendition (there are quite a few; the original recording, one on clarinet, one by a singer with an accordion, one hummed by Sally, one hummed by Elizabeth, one whistled, one of a chorus of singers, one tweeted by the bird and one of a trio with a guitar, a violin (?) and an accordion), but I'm not sure what you need/want.

By the way, it's quite magnificent to hear the recording and the bird go in sync. The multi-recording of all really is a spectacle to hear. I'll polish that one a bit more before I'll upload that one too. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 16:30, March 29, 2019 (UTC)

Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:02, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
I realized that I already had the prepared tracks individually for the combined version above, so I've uploaded these all for your enjoyment:
  1. File:Mus DLCC EdiithPiaf LaVieEnRose 3d.ogg
  2. File:Mus DLCC EdiithPiaf LaVieEnRose clarinet.ogg
  3. File:Mus DLCC EdiithPiaf LaVieEnRose Trio.ogg
  4. File:Mus DLCC EdithPiaf LaVieEnRose bird.ogg
  5. File:Mus DLCC EdithPiaf LaVieEnRose SallyHumming.ogg
  6. File:Mus DLCC EdithPiaf LaVieEnRose chorus.ogg
  7. File:Mus DLCC EdithPiaf LaVieEnRose singerAccordion.ogg
  8. File:Mus DLCC EdithPiaf LaVieEnRose whistler.ogg
  9. File:Mus DLCC LaVieEnRose Liz humming.ogg
#4 is the one you were originally asking for. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 17:58, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
I like your suggestion. That would be a good way to show all different renditions. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:35, April 18, 2019 (UTC)
Done: Special:Diff/314776/315336. I hope this is what you had in mind. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 11:28, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

Hello[edit source]

I have a question: in BioShock, in a bad ending, where splicers kill sailors, the negro sailor has a badge with the signature "Li Smith". Can you check the name?

Carriage Pictures[edit source]

I actually got a screenshot of the carriage on the bridge (along with the area around it) before it's destroyed. Also there are a couple carts with packages with Chinese characters on them. (?) Will upload them and see if you (or anyone else) has a place for them. (PS Great find for Paul Presley's stuff) sm --Solarmech (talk) 13:52, May 23, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Copyright Grey Area[edit source]

So sorry about the delayed reply, glad to be back.

You are indeed correct that this falls into a grey area that's hard to decipher conclusively. While I'm not an expert on copyright law, I think that this would, regretfully, fall into the "not okay" arena. While you make a good point that the image is out there, it's the artist who put it there. Jason Bennett has technically given us consent to use the specific image that he made available from his records, that was his deliberate action. So for us to upload a higher resolution version would transfer the liability/responsibility out of his hands and into ours, and that's a position we don't want to be in both from a copyright perspective and as a precedent to other contributors uploading images from the art books.

So that's my take on it. I'd relish the chance for someone with more experience in this field to contrast with their position, it's a shame to not have a more detailed image available, but here we are.

Unownshipper (talk) 15:27, August 2, 2019 (UTC)

Recurring voice actors[edit source]

You noted on Voice Actors that

Not sure how we should list actors appearing in multiple installments and as different characters, like Keith Szarabajka = Reed Wahl & Cornelius Slate.

Would a separate section for recurring voice actors be a good idea?

Great work by the way! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 11:32, September 10, 2019 (UTC)

Hello[edit source]

I apologize for the blog comment if it seemed too rude to you.


RE:Mrs. Norman[edit source]

I took a look through the extracted files from the multiplayer maps .bsm and the ShockGame.U file. Nothing much different comes up for "Norman" or "Housewife" aside from the character models. I seem to recall there were cardboard cutouts of the characters scattered in the maps, but I can't immediately find where they are.

I don't recognize the font lettering and it doesn't feel like something that would have been meant to be put in the game unless for a very rough draft. Looking closely at the picture, the apron wrinkles around the bust are identical to the rendered model, compared with the concept art which has the wrinkles in a different direction.

It implies it is using the texture files to render. I did a reverse image search, and it appears to have come from the XNALara forums for porting by a certain o0Crofty0o back in 2010. Google Image Search only shows a tiny thumbnail, but it's recognizable.

This is the archived version.

06-10-10, 20:01
---> Bioshock 2: (
Here she is :D

The live version shows that the posts by o0Crofty0o have been edited and the deviantart is deactivated. There are a number of posts since 2015 asking if o0Crofty0o is going to reupload models again.

Note how the archived version is on page 23, and the live version's post is on page 4454. The thread has been around for a while.

A search for "o0Crofty0o" deviantart "bioshock 2" actually does turn up these pictures of little sisters with the same font choice. Both images have a ridiculously long URL, so here are some screenshots.

Unfortunately, the Tomb Raider Forums have been excluded from the Wayback Machine, so we may never know that the images originally were. But, I would argue that the Mrs. Norman picture was a promotional screenshot of a port of the original model files into XNALara done by o0Crofty0o back in 2010, not found in the game. UpgradeTech (talk) 08:39, January 15, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, VA Page[edit source]

I wanted to thank you for properly expanding the Voice Actor list page recently. I realized that while I had found it such a priority to add Kimberly Brooks who provides the voice of Daisy Fitzroy, I completely neglected to add Bill Lobley who does Jeremiah Fink, the one who I recently received a direct comment from. Seeing that added made me literally want to facepalm for having missed it myself.  H. Roosevelt (talk) 10:05, January 15, 2020 (UTC)

The most recent one on his channel hereH. Roosevelt (talk) 06:42, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

"BioShock series" page[edit source]

Hey there, Mainframe98 suggested that I ask for your feedback regarding a potential page that could be created for the wiki (discussion was here). I just wanted to let you know that I created a draft page for the series; the draft is in my sandbox. This page is intended to give new visitors to both the series and wiki a good overview of the series, including games, DLC, and novels. It's inspired by a similar page on Wikipedia. Due to my little experience with the series (it's still in the backlog!), I've tried filling in the sections as best as I could using information on the individual pages, but I just wanted to make you aware of it. Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions; otherwise I'll go ahead and make the page with what the draft has. Thanks! -- Shrev64 (Talk page) 23:06, February 9, 2020 (UTC)

Hey there, thanks for the feedback! I incorporated the changes that you proposed, which can be viewed here. Some important things that I wanted to highlight just so you're aware:
  • I did end up making a new image that has all of the series logos, which is here. I've categorized it as best as I can but I apologize if I've made any errors while uploading it.
  • I left the board game as its own section under "Other media" as it's the only boardgame (as far as I'm aware) and thus further having it under a "Board game" section under "Other media" would be redundant, in my opinion.
  • I added Minerva's Den as its own subsection under BioShock 2, but I had the other DLC only mentioned in their respective games sections -- I figured that if the reader is more interested, they can go to the DLC page, which further leads to the individual DLCs.
Otherwise, I personally think the page looks ready to go. I'll probably toss it into the mainspace sometime early this week, and I'll also try to add links to this page where the context seems fit (i.e. instead of linking to the first game, it'll link to the series page instead). Again, thanks for all the help! -- Shrev64 (Talk page) 02:59, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Years[edit source]

I’m not catching up with something. Why is BioShock 2 1968 and There Something in the sea 1969? (Apparently, each phase is a year, and they began in 1967) Although, probably, it’s just that I didn’t understand anything.

МХК46 (talk) 21:15, March 3, 2020 (UTC)

My edit[edit source]

What I meant to say before was “then it’s a mistake!”, just like they got the artist wrong for “Liza” and “It had to be you” wrong.

Bees[edit source]

Can bees be considered enemies? They in BioShock are quite hostile to the protagonist and they can take their life.

User:МХК46 (talk) March 11, 2020, 10:30, (UTC)


March 15, 2020, 12:36 (UTC)

Book Page Update[edit source]

Thanks for the support.  Yes, I'm looking to update the plot section with the summaries of the chapters.  I'm a high school teacher and I'm looking at using some of the information on this page to instruct my students on.

Dedigitized (talk) 23:43, March 16, 2020 (UTC)

Main Page changes[edit source]

Hey there, I wanted to bring about a proposal to making some potentially significant changes to the Main Page. This is mostly focused on the main portal sections that also doubles as navigation for the various different subcategories within each game. While it is admittedly pretty neat and cool, quite frankly, as someone who hasn't really played the series before, it is a bit overwhelming and a bit cumbersome to navigate. Not to mention that they are a bit outdated thanks to the excess use of div tags. Not to mention a few bugs: Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 Image 4 Additionally, a more fleshed out welcome notice may be necessary for new readers.

Generally, to make navigation easier, you try to do get to the content in the least amount of clicks as possible. One of the ideas I had was either keeping the main portal, but having it then link to each game's category (i.e. Category:BioShock 2). Alternatively, instead of presenting games, the main portal could present categories, such as Category:Characters, Category:Locations, etc., accompanied with a representative image. I made a mockup of the former here. Additionally in the mockup is a welcome section that gives the reader a brief introduction of what the BioShock series is and it also links to the series page as a quick landing point for people wanting a quick overview of the series.

Now, to the main thing - despite the tone of my message so far, I want to enunciate that these aren't any sort of mandatory requirements or anything like that. They're friendly suggestions, at best. I understand how important main pages are to wikis and I can also understand any sort of apprehension that may be present towards a relatively random outsider suggesting improvements to the main page. I'm not here to impose anything, but I did want to suggest potential improvements and potential ways to implement them. The main goal is to simply make the navigation a little easier for new readers. If you want to go a completely different direction, I'm absolutely fine with that, but I do recommend some modification to the portal issue. Of course, it's up to you at the end of the day, and I'm open to all feedback and suggestions regarding this. Let me know what you think. Thanks! (Thread on Mainpage's wall, Thread on Unownshipper's wall) -- Shrev64 (Talk page) 05:39, April 2, 2020 (UTC)

Art Subtitles[edit source]

Very nice job finding the source behind those business names. I always turn off the art subtitles when taking screenshots in BioShock so I never would've thought of that. Very cleaver. Keep up the good work.

Unownshipper (talk) 03:21, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

Brother Love and other edits[edit source]

Hello again and thank you for the necessary edits you made on to the additions I added to the Brother Love page. I had heard that he and the "Vox Announcer" were the same character at some point before but only discovered the audio files recently when the clip coincidentally popped up in my recommended videos. I also can't believe I had forgotten to take the Bull House Impound portion into account when noting that he can be killed by the player. With his first name also being discovered, I was also wondering if whether changing the name of the page should be considered or if it should remain how it was depicted in the subtitles?

On another note, to reflect on Andrew Ryan's trivia section, I've recently added a few similarities Zachary Comstock notably shares with two historical figures. I'm definitely be opened to rewordings granted, I'd like for it to be as concise as the aforementioned page as well as the fact that a minor detail applied from one of the figures he also technically shares with his counterpart. I hope they can be considered noteworthy and I'd be thankful if you looked it over when you had the chance. H. Roosevelt (talk) 22:52, April 9, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Merged Mistake[edit source]

I checked but couldn't find anything that would indicate that the merge failed. According to the API, there are currently 2491 pages on the wiki (query), so I think it's just displaying the wrong number. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:16, April 18, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Models and tips[edit source]

I noticed the missing motors in the Service Bay when I was crawling around and found the undercarriage completely smooth. The central show piece in the tube and the two other round bathyspheres in tubes have no motor in the central hub. I noclipped into the diorama displays and did find a black motor on the mermaid display and the film noir display. There is no motor on the key display. The motor is visible from outside and oddly very dark sitting in the light in the mermaid display if you go to the extreme right of the window. You can barely see the tubes going to the engine in the film noir display since most of the motor is covered up by the man. I really cranked up the in-game brightness, but it's so dark that you'd only see it if you were looking for it. Perhaps this was a last minute change considering the advertisements? Maybe they didn't look streamlined enough and the original bathysphere doesn't seem to have a propeller.

Its texture also seems to be a generic metal texture.

I have no idea what was going on with the wonky side fins in the Service Bay. And Elizabeth's naming schemes unfortunately don't line up with what the ads say.

I've been meaning to look through the clip art archive you've been posting from. It's a shame that youtube video of mugshots was taken down though the thumbnail still exists. The Diane McClintock mugshot is fascinating though no one can seem to find the source. I really do feel like Suchong is based on some sort of mugshot. His monitor looks like a photo while Ryan's looks more painterly. Though old mugshots of Asian Americans with glasses seem to be very rare.

I was slowly working through the sign images from above though Burial at Sea's file names are "unconventional". I do have some of the missing sign letters, but I can't find the textures. Unfortunately, the signs are so dark and skinny that they wouldn't show up well against the wikia's dark backing; and of course, I can't find their backing wall textures which may have been some generic piece of flooring. "The Future of Travel" sign actually did use pieces of wall in 256, 1048 size increments; perhaps the pre-built mapping pieces were easier to use than making a new model, but very hard to sort through. The Fontaine Department Store sign models for the departments were vaguely marked as dept_store_letters_1, 2, 3, 4, 5 going up to #46 which was not fun to sift through.

The wikia's image uploading system has been bugging out recently though. I can upload new versions of images fine, but new file names are causing the website to hang and take forever to upload, even across computers and browsers. Maybe it'll be faster this week.

I do use a combination of Google Image Search, TinEye, and Bing Image Search. The benefit of uploading the images is that I can do an image search without worrying that the existing wikia image is "contaminating" the search results yet. Though Google and Pinterest have this wonderful habit of showing a similar image and I have to scroll all the way down through the Pinterest board to actually find it.

Some images look to be loosely cut out and I can see traces of the original background overlooked in corners. I can just crop and repaint the background to the original color and hope Google Images will dig something up. You'd be amazed at what kind of remnants the graphic designers left behind if you look at the images really closely. I also flip images horizontally on occasion. Sometimes, I coax Google Images with keywords. I believe that's how I found one of the apple textures.

I had this post earmarked for quite some time. I have no idea where they found the original image. Though searching for the Cyrillic text with only a Latin alphabet keyboard was also fun. I suspect FIle:Atlas Propaganda Poster 02 DIFF.png may have been traced too, but that kind of pose over the shoulder thumbs up seems to be uncommon in Soviet propaganda.

I do suspect the EVE poster/Be the Envy of Rapture lady is cropped from some advertisement, but I haven't found a match yet.

For the Eadweard Muybridge images, I just looked really close at File:Clothesline_pictures_DIF.png. In the bending down picture, Elizabeth's head is a different color than the body. The body looks to be a cut out and the grain on the background doesn't match at all. I erased the background and filled it with a neutral color and the tried Google Images with some keyword seeding. After scrolling through a lot of results, I believe I came across a blurry picture from a Pinterest board which had similar lighting. A bunch more scrolling to find the actual image on Pinterest eventually gave a link to Wikimedia and the work of Eadweard Muybridge and then more scrolling through his category of "Pictures of women by Eadweard Muybridge in the USC digital library" until I found the contact sheet of photos.

Maybe the devs just looked for "Edwardian woman undressing" like how they used "Edwardian gentleman" for Fink.

I feel like the Elizabeth skipping with a book picture is also a Eadweard Muybridge photo since the wall has the same painted lines used when studying "animal locomotion". A very similar angle is even seen on the last row of the Eadweard Muybridge contact sheet. Though Elizabeth's photo looks more photoshopped than usual. I haven't yet found a similar pose in the Eadweard Muybridge category. UpgradeTech (talk) 22:32, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

  • Both of you have done some *really* great work on the wiki. About Ryan's looks more painterly Screen image. I am fairly certain it's an updated version of one from the first BioShock or it's the original image but at higher resolution/detail. When the player is leaving the Transit Hub to go to the Medical Pavilion he gets trapped outside the airlock. This is the image we see on the monitor while the Splicers are trying to break into the room Jack is in. You are correct about Suchong's image (File name: Suchong_Sized.png). That is a photograph, but I don't think it's a mugshot. (Looks recent to me). That image is the same one used for the newspaper clip in the Silver Fin Restaurant Reception Area. For the newspaper article picture, someone drew the hair in. sm --Solarmech (talk) 23:39, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

YouTube Videos Better Source[edit source]

Didn't want to step on toes by changing things. Ghost Story Games it's own YouTube channel HERE. These vids don't have any watermarks and are probably about the best quality we can get. Has all the official BSI vids including the one you linked to for the "Male Portrait". sm --Solarmech (talk) 18:08, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

I was wondering why the picture looked familiar. It greatly resembles Joe McCarthy of the infamous McCarthyism and anti-Communist hysteria of the 1950s. Perhaps it could have tied into the Communist references I noted earlier. But then it raises the question of why a public figure born in 1908 would have a Tear-induced portrait in 1912. UpgradeTech (talk) 21:44, April 24, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, that's definitely Joe McCarthy. I actively try to forget what that SOB looked like. As for a picture in 1912 of McCarthy in the 1950's, tears go through time. (The early version of Columbia had reality shifting all the time while it's very rare in the first game. (You can see another reality shift with the banner near the start.) Saltonstall shifted to the communist Hammer and Sickle when the Soviet Union only came about (officially) in 1922 and that symbol was invented in 1917. sm --Solarmech (talk) 22:29, April 24, 2020 (UTC)
It was the eyebrows for me at first. I wonder if the Chester A. Arthur portrait being painted over in the Order of the Raven has anything to do with it. The frame in the screenshot still exists in the game as part of the texture file for the prefix "WoodFrame" texture files which include the real-life paintings like Abraham Lincoln and the Battle of New Orleans and slightly battered looking ones for the "Frame" and the "GoldFrame" prefix for a lot of other paintings like the Founders and Lady Comstock.
I'll definitely move it up to the Communism section in a bit. UpgradeTech (talk) 22:55, April 24, 2020 (UTC)
There is another picture above Joe McCarthy's. It is REAL hard to see though. It's at about 6:20 (when Booker looks up to return fire at someone on 2nd floor). It looks a little familiar, like something from the Fraternal Order of the Raven which this place might be an early version of. There is also another painting to the left as Booker is leaving the lodge just before you see the corner of the "Amateurs at War" cover painting. I think that one might be in game. I have this vid downloaded but need to plug it into a vid editor to take real close looks at stuff or get really good screenshots. sm --Solarmech (talk) 21:17, April 25, 2020 (UTC)
The painting above McCarthy at 6:21 is the Lincoln picture in the Montgomery Residence. The painting at 6:23 which looks to be an extraordinarily blurry man standing is another NC Wyeth painting of Stonewall Jackson which should be in the game. I believe the unidentified Statue of Liberty painting is yet another NC Wyeth painting.UpgradeTech (talk) 21:37, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

Hall of Hero's Loading Screen[edit source]


I think this is what you are thinking of. sm--Solarmech (talk) 21:06, April 26, 2020 (UTC)

Main page updates, Discussions, and Wiknav[edit source]

Hey there, I left this message on Mainframe98's talk page, but I also wanted to include you in the discussion. I just replied to my talk page regarding the main page (link here). TL;DR of the message is I've implemented it in my sandbox.

I did have a couple of questions unrelated to the main page. One of which concerned if the wiki was open to enabling Discussions. It would essentially a place where fans of BioShock - not just editors - could converse and interact about the series. It wouldn't conflict with the wiki's already existing content, rather it would be a social extension to the wiki. Obviously, this is a bit of a different feature so I am very interested in hearing the wiki staff's opinions about this feature. If you have any questions about it, please let me know, and I can try to answer them.

My second question is regarding the wiki nav (what I call it, anyways. MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation). Namely, would you be interested in adding BioShock: The Collection into the nav? I thought of this because with the Switch version coming out this month, many readers will try to navigate to it, so having it in the wiki's navigation would probably help with that. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. -- Shrev64 (Talk page) 09:09, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Lincoln Mask[edit source]

The Lincoln mask texture is in the BaS Episode 1 files, I just checked. There doesn't seem to have been much "clean up" done with the Episodes probably because of they were rushed. There are a lot of other things left in them as well such as fragments of the original "Post Credits Booker in Rapture" story line, Columbia enemies, Undertow and MoC Bottles and even the engine of a Columbia Security Zeppelin. It looks like they ported over all of BSI's Texture files to use as a base for Rapture then removed them when they were no longer needed. But a lot of stuff got left behind as there were some textures that were not "replaced" or they just missed removing them. sm --Solarmech (talk) 13:01, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Bonus Trials Missing[edit source]

Bonus Trials are missing from Protector Trials 

The Bonus trials in Bioshock 2 Protector Trials you need to earn 36 stars. To do this you need to beat all trials and earn all available stars in each trial

O'er The Skies Poster[edit source]

Glad you found a larger version. I looked for over a half hour and couldn't find one. I couldn't find *any* other version of the image. sm Solarmech (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Vimeo has better versions of official BioShock vids?[edit source]

Going through some of my of old BioShock links and stumbled on ones for Vimeo. This is a link to the BioShock Infinite E3 2011 Demo. Now I don't know if it's the same (or better) quality to the one you got a ton of screen shots from awhile ago but thought I should tell you in case they were a little better. The DPI on this one is 720, but I don't see as many compression artifacts as the Youtube version. They have other BioShock vids on there as well if you do a search. sm --Solarmech (talk) 15:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

They have the commercials and trailer for BioShock, BS2 and BSI. With a little searching you can find versions that do not have watermarks. Here is the one for BioShock and BioShock: Infinite Gameplay Trailer A full search sm --Solarmech (talk) 19:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Removed Content of BioShock Infinite[edit source]

Slate[edit source]

Cornelius Slate has an unused fight mechanic to fight the player. He has really high movement speed, more health than normal enemies, and no actual firearm besides Shock Jockey. He will run around and throw multiple traps at the ground. When he is far enough away from you, he will throw them at you. When killed, he will not drop any loot.

Unused Devil Texture[edit source]

An in-game choice at an airship station can lead to Booker DeWitt's hand being stabbed by a ticket vendor. Interestingly, the textures for the bandage show a devil face which is never seen in-game, as it's not covered by the UVW map.

inaccessible Good Time Club Room[edit source]

In the room in the Good Time Club where Booker and Elizabeth find Chen Lin's body, there is a small inaccessible room adjacent to the room through the walls that contains an unknown, untextured model sitting in a chair as well as a model of Booker's right hand jutting out of the wall.

If the room is accessed before triggering the Chen Lin cutscene in which Elizabeth opens a tear, Booker's arms will be facing towards the center of the room, making both of them visible. The untextured body and the room itself remain otherwise unchanged.

Evelin canad (talkcontribs) 1:32, October 19,2020

RE: Re-implementing Special:WikiActivity[edit source]

Given that it's an advancement (of a feature a lot of people are missing) I went ahead and added it to MediaWiki:ImportJS. It's not like it is going to worsen the experience for others anyway if they don't use Special:WikiActivity.

Be aware that it might not work (yet). While all the scripts there are listed to be UCP compatible, they don't actually seem to work yet. I'll investigate why. Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It appears the script finally works, as well as other scripts we had running (like the one powering Template:Games). Enjoy! Mainframe98 talk·blog·edits 18:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

BioShock 2 Multiplayer Character[edit source]

I've found better images for the multiplayer characters

but I don't know if it's official or Fanart, I think about it because it's on BioShock Wiki Russia

I dont have BioShock 2 Multiplayer

And also Happy Halloween

Evelin canad (talkcontribs) 14:12, October 31,2020

Constance Field dead?[edit source]

I was playing BioShock Infinite and i noticed something, In the Memorial Gardens, next to the Lady Comstock monument, there is a tomb with a sculpture of a girl who looks a lot like Constance Field. If this is her statue, it means that she died some time before the uprising? I don't know if it's her, another girl or a reused model.

Evelin canad (talkcontribs) 10:03, November 3,2020

Duplicate images[edit source]

Could you delete "Chx-king-factory-concept-1.jpg" and "Chx-king-factoryplaysheet-1.jpg". I accidentally uploaded when there was already a copy on the wiki. I hate that when it happens. Thanks. sm --Solarmech (talk) 11:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

And duped two more images. :( "Earlyairshipdesigns1.jpg" and "Earlyairshipinterior.jpg". Hope I didn't dup "Factorysignage-driveprosperity2.jpg". I REALLY need to check more areas. Sorry for making more work. sm --Solarmech (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate Image[edit source]

Could you delete Toastyi.jpg I did not know that this file had already been published, Sorry.

Evelin canad (talkcontribs) 22:06 Saturday, November 28, 2020

Evelin canad (talkcontribs) 00:23 November 20, 2020

Removed Message to Evelin canad?[edit source]

You left a message on the talk for User:Evelin canad about the "postcards" from Digital Frontiers, but User:Pauolo or someone else using the account, reverted the changes made. Thought you should know about this. This all seems strange to me. sm --Solarmech (talk) 20:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello[edit source]

I recently noticed that in the first game, Baby Jane and Lady Smith had more models that the wiki forgot to include. Baby Jane has a version in a purple and pink dress, and Lady Smith has another Saturnian model, only all white.

--МХК46 (talk) 17 December 2020

Power to the People[edit source]

Hi, Shacob I was looking for what images I can put in this Wiki, and I noticed something in Power to the People page, there are images of where the Power to the People machines are in BioShock but in the Dlc, Challenge Rooms also appear in Worlds of Hurt and here it appears my doubt, is it necessary to put those Power to the people on the page?

Evelin canad (talkcontribs) 20:28 December 20, 2020

Work and corrections[edit source]

Hey Shacob, thank you for correcting me. You are making things more coherent while building on my ideas, and deleting ideas that were false. You are doing a great job moderating this wiki.

Pugsnstuf (talk) 13:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Was it?[edit source]

Hey Shacob, was this wiki once bustling with life? Was it full of contributors? I just want to know since you had such a long time here on the wiki.

Pugsnstuf (talk) 17:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

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